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Woody Allen - Pedophile?

Woody Allen

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DDD said:
You do not say!

Surprised, but he married his step-daughter. Obviously the age gap is attractive to this creepy looking actor and director oldy.
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She was his girlfriend's step-daughter, and she was 20 when they dated. Creepy looking isn't a crime.
 
ChrisL said:
I found this excerpt from Dylan's open letter to be quite interesting. It certainly sounds consistent with child sex abuse, everything about it sounds genuine, right down to the guilt and shame.
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Suddenly you're an expert? It sounds consistent with a false belief, induced by the person who coached her from seven years old and onward.
 
Manc Skipper said:
She's been brainwashed by her mother's endless hate. She's been told since she was seven that this happened to her. The story has wandered all over the place over the years. The "daughter" he married was a different one, not kin to either of them, and Rohan, the one child they had between them, Mia claimed might have been Sinatra's! (whose age difference when she married him was greater than that of Woody's and Soon-Yi's)
Given that Mia was married to Andre Previn, then in a relationship with Allen, Sinatra still being around is a bit odd.
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I guess it takes a liberal to really understand another liberal this deep.
 
radcen said:
Many people don't even know about those cases. The people who pulled that crap were outright criminals, IMO. It should be noted that these accusations were also about the same time, when railroading innocent people was at its full height.
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Actually, I am well aware of the MacMartin case, I even remember the Dale Akiki case, where a mildly retarded man was accused of molestation at a church daycare, and that the trial transcripts from the children included such things as his taking children to Mexico through a secret tunnel under the church 30 miles long, performing satanic rituals while molesting the children, and most fantastically that he had sacrificed giraffes and elephants to Satan inside the church.

As for Woody, I consider a great many things.

His first wife was 16 when they got married. He had a relationship with Stacey Nelkin when she was 17. And Mia Farrow found nude photographs he had taken of her (allegedly) 19 year old daughter.

Yea, to me he seems to fit most of the classic signs of being a pedophile, much like R. Kelly, Gary Glitter, and so many others.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Suddenly you're an expert? It sounds consistent with a false belief, induced by the person who coached her from seven years old and onward.
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One of my best friends was sexually molested, so yes, I know a little about it. Sorry if that upsets you because you want to defend your pedophile idol.
 
American said:
I guess it takes a liberal to really understand another liberal this deep.
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Christ Almighty! Talk about grasping at straws. It's SHOCKING the lengths some people will go to protect their idols.
 
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?

American justice. Envy of the civilised world.
 
NoC_T said:
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?

American justice. Envy of the civilised world.
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Nobody is saying he is guilty.

However, would you let R. Kelly babysit your 14 year old daughter? Or let your daughter marry OJ Simpson before he got sent away for life?

just because somebody is not sent to trial does not mean they did not do it. And I would not support persecuting him. However, I myself will never again see any of his movies. No more then I would buy an R. Kelly CD, nor a Gary Glitter CD.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Nobody is saying he is guilty.

However, would you let R. Kelly babysit your 14 year old daughter? Or let your daughter marry OJ Simpson before he got sent away for life?

just because somebody is not sent to trial does not mean they did not do it. And I would not support persecuting him. However, I myself will never again see any of his movies. No more then I would buy an R. Kelly CD, nor a Gary Glitter CD.
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Weren't all those other guys actually charged/convicted?
 
NoC_T said:
Weren't all those other guys actually charged/convicted?
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Gary Glitter was convicted, twice, in 2 different countries.

R. Kelly (like another famous singer) was tried and found not guilty. Even though there were video tapes of him having sex with 2 different 15 year old girls, or that he married his first wife Aaliyah when she was 15 years old.

Just because somebody is found "not guilty", that does not mean they are "innocent".
 
Oozlefinch said:
Gary Glitter was convicted, twice, in 2 different countries.

R. Kelly (like another famous singer) was tried and found not guilty. Even though there were video tapes of him having sex with 2 different 15 year old girls, or that he married his first wife Aaliyah when she was 15 years old.

Just because somebody is found "not guilty", that does not mean they are "innocent".
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Except that Allen has yet to face the fallout of any such evidence. These were poor analogies.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Neither had Roman Polanski, your point is?
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Again, there's no comparison. Polanski fled pending legal proceedings after being charged.

If you don't see my 'point' I can't make it any easier.
 
Oozlefinch said:
His first wife was 16 when they got married. He had a relationship with Stacey Nelkin when she was 17. And Mia Farrow found nude photographs he had taken of her (allegedly) 19 year old daughter.

Yea, to me he seems to fit most of the classic signs of being a pedophile, much like R. Kelly, Gary Glitter, and so many others.
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You don't see a difference between Allen having a relationship with a 16-year-old when he was 19, and Glitter (Gadd) having sex with 10 and 11-year-olds? What ARE the classic signs of being a paedophile? Isn't one of them actually having sex with or attraction to pre-pubescent children? I'm missing that 'classic sign' in this scenario.
 
sangha said:
And you have repeatedly stated that Soon-yi is his step-daughter and that Mia was his wife.

Both are untrue.
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Legally, yes. However, if I had children, one of them an adopted daughter, and I "moved in with" a man who professed to love me and who later decided he loved my adopted daughter more, despite the fact that he was 20+ years older than her, I'd feel betrayed and appalled. When a man takes a woman as his "love interest", as Woody did Mia, then seduces her daughter (adopted or not), we are talking about a major betrayal not only to the woman he professed to love, but the child who she adored as a daughter. There is nothing on this planet that can convince me that what Allen did was anything short of an utter betrayal on too many levels to calculate.

I believe the abused and shattered child before I would believe a man who had so brazenly manipulated a minor child and betrayed the woman he professed to "love". The statute of limitations assures that he will never have to answer to the allegations, and because he is a "talented genius", he will never be held to answer for the crimes he has been accused of. People do not want to believe what they do not want to believe. And society will never look too closely, because it does not want to find answers that might reveal its heros have feet of clay.

Even accepting only what Allen has confessed to, he is a perverted swine who seduced and had sex with the adopted daughter of the woman he'd proclaimed to have loved. There is absolutely no going back from that. Ever.
 
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/02/d...e-know-is-but-is-it-the-truth-as-it-happened/


Just adding this article to the thread. It pretty much conveys my view on this whole sad situation. I think Dylan is telling the truth as she believes it happened. I think she really is a victim of abuse. I'm just not convinced what kind of abuse or at whose hand just yet.

Having been a big fan of both Allen AND Farrow practically my entire life, I know that the pedophile allegations simply do not fit Allen's profile, whereas the brainwashing allegations against Mia do fit her personality.

That said, I'm totally open to the possibility that he did act inappropriately with Dylan and if he did, I'll be the first to condemn him. As things stand right now, there is no way to tell what really happened and we may never find out.
 
Arcana XV said:
Dylan Farrow Is Telling the Truth as She Believes It, But Is It the Truth as It Happened? | The Daily Banter


Just adding this article to the thread. It pretty much conveys my view on this whole sad situation. I think Dylan is telling the truth as she believes it happened. I think she really is a victim of abuse. I'm just not convinced what kind of abuse or at whose hand just yet.

Having been a big fan of both Allen AND Farrow practically my entire life, I know that the pedophile allegations simply do not fit Allen's profile, whereas the brainwashing allegations against Mia do fit her personality.

That said, I'm totally open to the possibility that he did act inappropriately with Dylan and if he did, I'll be the first to condemn him. As things stand right now, there is no way to tell what really happened and we may never find out.
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That's pretty much how I feel. I'm pretty disgusted at the ease with which people throw around accusations of paedophilia without a shred of evidence. I've a feeling that I wouldn't necessarily relish being involved with Allen's libido and psyche, but what do I really know about it? Same goes with the Farrow clan. I think if he had committed unequivocal abuse, given the intense scrutiny he's been under for 20+ years, the evidence would have convicted him already. It hasn't. And I don't believe it ever will.
 
I voted "Creepy bastard, but not a pedophile"
He has demonstrated he likes his daughters... when they are a little older.
Yep, that counts for creepy.
 
Andalublue said:
You don't see a difference between Allen having a relationship with a 16-year-old when he was 19, and Glitter (Gadd) having sex with 10 and 11-year-olds? What ARE the classic signs of being a paedophile? Isn't one of them actually having sex with or attraction to pre-pubescent children? I'm missing that 'classic sign' in this scenario.
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Well, I could use the correct term for people like Woody Allen and R. Kelly, but I doubt that many in here would know what a ephebophilia is.

But if you notice, both R. and Woody for years afterwards continued after girls in the same age bracket. This is what this often is, as the person ages they think back to sexual encounters or conquests when they were younger. And the most disturbing pattern of all is that they get locked into looking for 15 year olds, but they get older and older and older.

I had a friend who is an ephebophilia. When I first met him his attraction to 16 year old girls was kind of cute. Then it became kind of strange. Now it is 30 years later, he has 4 kids by 3 different women, and he hooked up with each of them when they were between 16 and 18. And he like me is 49, and on his Facebook he just added a picture of himself and his new girlfriend.

She just turns 18 next month. I was invited to see him when I was down in LA a few months ago, I told him I had "other plans". In truth, I never want to see him again, I only keep him as a "friend" so I know how his kids are.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Well, I could use the correct term for people like Woody Allen and R. Kelly, but I doubt that many in here would know what a ephebophilia is.
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I think plenty of people know what an ephebophile is, and what it's not, which is a paedophile!

But if you notice, both R. and Woody for years afterwards continued after girls in the same age bracket.
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I don't know anything about R. Kelly, but here's list of Woody's wives and their ages when the relationships began:

  • 1954, married 16-year-old Harlene Rosen. Allen was 19.
  • 1966, married Louise Lasser, age 27. Allen was 31.
  • 1970, had a romantic affair with 24-year-old, Diane Keaton. Allen was 35.
  • 1977, had a brief romantic affair with 18-year-old Stacey Nelkin. Allen was 42.
  • 1980 began a relationship with Mia Farrow, aged 35. Allen was 45.
  • 1992 began a relationship, then married 19-year-old Soon-Yi Prévin. Allen was 57.
I guess you're right, he seems to go for women exclusively in the 18-35-year-old age bracket. That must make him some kind of pervert.
 
DiAnna said:
Legally, yes. However, if I had children, one of them an adopted daughter, and I "moved in with" a man who professed to love me and who later decided he loved my adopted daughter more, despite the fact that he was 20+ years older than her, I'd feel betrayed and appalled. When a man takes a woman as his "love interest", as Woody did Mia, then seduces her daughter (adopted or not), we are talking about a major betrayal not only to the woman he professed to love, but the child who she adored as a daughter. There is nothing on this planet that can convince me that what Allen did was anything short of an utter betrayal on too many levels to calculate.

I believe the abused and shattered child before I would believe a man who had so brazenly manipulated a minor child and betrayed the woman he professed to "love". The statute of limitations assures that he will never have to answer to the allegations, and because he is a "talented genius", he will never be held to answer for the crimes he has been accused of. People do not want to believe what they do not want to believe. And society will never look too closely, because it does not want to find answers that might reveal its heros have feet of clay.

Even accepting only what Allen has confessed to, he is a perverted swine who seduced and had sex with the adopted daughter of the woman he'd proclaimed to have loved. There is absolutely no going back from that. Ever.
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Just a few things.

1) Woody never moved in with Mia. In fact, in the entire course of their more than 10 year relationship, he never even stayed overnight.

2) Both Woody and Mia state that any love relationship they had was long over by the time Woody and Soon-Yi began their relationship.

3) Woody didn't "escape justice" due to his fame. The accusations were investigated and found wanting and so no criminal charges were ever filed.

I can certainly understand why Mia would feel betrayed by Woody dating her daughter. It is certainly a cold betrayal and even a creepy thing to do to an ex-lover. I'm not going to defend his "honor". However, it appears that he is not a pedophile.
 
Andalublue said:
I think plenty of people know what an ephebophile is, and what it's not, which is a paedophile!

I guess you're right, he seems to go for women exclusively in the 18-35-year-old age bracket. That must make him some kind of pervert.
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To begin with, I never said exclusively. Do not take what I said out of context.

And wow, you know what it is, I bet you are one of 10% in here that would. Pedophile is the common word used today, and you hear it in any report of this kind of behavior. But I guess you are fine with his behavior, good for you.
 
Oozlefinch said:
And wow, you know what it is, I bet you are one of 10% in here that would. Pedophile is the common word used today, and you hear it in any report of this kind of behavior. But I guess you are fine with his behavior, good for you.
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I'm not fine with it, but I don't pretend it's something it's not. Culpable homicide is not murder. Shoplifting is not armed robbery. Ephebophilia is not paedophilia.
 
Hard Truth said:
I'll wait until there is a trial with complete evidence before I form an opinion. I don't think that his being with a seventeen year old makes him that much more likely to have molested the young children. I also don't necessarily trust the claims of the Farrow kids due to the years of influence from the openly bitter mother. Such claims should be taken seriously and investigated, but the satanic child abuse scares of the 1980s (McMartin et al) show that authority figures can and will induce false accusations from children and adults, especially when hypnotism is used.
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I wonder how many unbitter mothers you would find, after doing what he did. My husband is a stepdad to my family. If I had daughters and found out he was firstly, unfaithful to me, secondly unfaithful to me with my daughter, thirdly with my very young daughter, fourthly my other even younger daughter mentioned he also abused her, fifth...

The guy wouldn't have much change of maintaining a good relationship really...
 
He's always given me the creeps.

I am inclined to believe the accusation, but it was never proven in court nor even tried.

Which reminds me, of course, of convicted minor rapist and fugitive Roman Polanski and Hollywood's continued support for him. Ugh.
 
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