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Woody Allen - Pedophile?

Woody Allen

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Gathomas88 said:
I think it's definitely problematic. However, if a person doesn't act on those impulses, is still attracted to the child in question as an adult, and is able to maintain a consensual monogamous relationship with that adult, it obviously can't be all that big of a deal. :shrug:

Again, this is all a red herring anyway, as you can't demonstrate that he even was attracted to her as a child.
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It's disgusting.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh crap! What was the name of that woman who was kidnapped when she was 11 years old, and was sexually molested and held prisoner (yet was groomed, so didn't even try to escape) for years. She was in her late 20s/early 30s I believe by the time she was finally discovered to be alive and being held captive.

Would we not consider THAT man a pedophile?
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Elizabeth Smart?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Then they pretty clearly deserve to be with one another. Why does it bother you so much? :lol:
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Well, maybe not. With someone from her background, it's pretty easy to see how she could be brainwashed and groomed even more easily than most children. The girl was completely vulnerable, and he was an old man.
 
sangha said:
The one her mother suggested he spend more time with

Looks like she got her wish!!
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Look dude, I'm not responding to your silly posts anymore. Obviously, you don't take child sexual abuse very seriously.
 
Gathomas88 said:
That is not a universally applied law.

It is also fairly arbitrary.
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I did not quote a particular state law. I quoted a generally applied principle. California allows the marriage of first cousins. Kentucky does not allow the marriage of first cousins. I know, shocker! Perhaps that is why there is more 'incest' in Kentucky. Just sayin'.
 
ChrisL said:
It's disgusting.
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Different strokes. :shrug:

I wouldn't do it. It'd creep me the Hell out.

However, if, theoretically, some people could experience such attractions, not act upon them until the person in question was grown, and even have a healthy relationship with them afterwards, I would see no reason to necessarily judge them harshly.

ChrisL said:
Well, maybe not. With someone from her background, it's pretty easy to see how she could be brainwashed and groomed even more easily than most children. The girl was completely vulnerable, and he was an old man.
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Again, unless you can demonstrate objective harm here, I'm really not seeing any reason to get bent out of shape about it.

She clearly has no problem being married to Woody Allen, and she rather obviously isn't suffering "abuse" at his hands either.
 
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I found an article at the Daily Beast that clears up some misconceptions. Do I think it is creepy to date/marry your girlfriend's adopted daughter? Yes.

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

With Woody not even staying at the apartment in the 12 years they were "girlfriend/boyfriend" and the revelation in Vanity Fair last year that the baby boy that was born during their relationship according to Mia could be Frank Sinatra's. Rowan grew up spending time with the Sinatras. Mia married Frank Sinatra when she was 19. And according to her they never stopped seeing each other even while she was with Woody. After their divorce she had an affair with a guy named Previn who was married at the time. It is said that his wife had a breakdown over her husband's affair with Mia. After Previn was divorced he and Mia got married and adopted Soon-Yi. Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

The article goes on to tell about testimony that was given in the sex abuse case that explains why Woody was never charged. The sex abuse allegations by Mia didn't occur until after Allen filed for custody of Rowan, Dylan and Moses.

Moses now has a good relationship with Woody and calls what happened to Rowan and Dylan "brainwashed"

Interesting article

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast - The Daily Beast
 
Dragonfly said:
Woody Allen's adopted daughter accuses him of assaulting her at age 7 - CNN.com

Mia Farrow's daughter resurrects Woody Allen molestation claim | Fox News


So, what are your thoughts on Woody Allen?

Is he a pedophile?
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Creepy bastard?

Harmless Peepaw?

Legendary director and actor?

Should legal action be taken immediately?
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I really don't know.

He isn't one of my favorite people, but I do believe that he deserves the same fair trial that everyone is supposed to get in the USA, so I'll withhold my final judgement until he gets that.

But right now, since it confirms what I think about the guy, I going with pedophile.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Different strokes. :shrug:

I wouldn't do it. It'd creep me the Hell out.

However, if, theoretically, some people could experience such attractions, not act upon them until the person in question is grown, and even have healthy relationships afterwards, I would see no reason to necessarily judge them harshly.



Again, unless you can demonstrate objective harm here, I'm really not seeing any reason to get bent out of shape about it.

She clearly has no problem being married to Woody Allen, and she rather obviously isn't suffering "abuse" at his hands either.
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How would you know any of this? You don't. The bottom line is that he is disgusting.
 
vesper said:
I found an article at the Daily Beast that clears up some misconceptions. Do I think it is creepy to date/marry your girlfriend's adopted daughter? Yes.

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

With Woody not even staying at the apartment in the 12 years they were "girlfriend/boyfriend" and the revelation in Vanity Fair last year that the baby boy that was born during their relationship according to Mia could be Frank Sinatra's. Rowan grew up spending time with the Sinatras. Mia married Frank Sinatra when she was 19. And according to her they never stopped seeing each other even while she was with Woody. After their divorce she had an affair with a guy named Previn who was married at the time. It is said that his wife had a breakdown over her husband's affair with Mia. After Previn was divorced he and Mia got married and adopted Soon-Yi. Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

The article goes on to tell about testimony that was given in the sex abuse case that explains why Woody was never charged. The sex abuse allegations by Mia didn't occur until after Allen filed for custody of Rowan, Dylan and Moses.

Moses now has a good relationship with Woody and calls what happened to Rowan and Dylan "brainwashed"

Interesting article

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast - The Daily Beast
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Thanks for posting this! It sure clears up a lot of misconceptions! :thumbs:

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:
 
ChrisL said:
How would you know any of this?
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How would you? :lol:

All I've been saying this whole time is that there's really no reason to jump to the worst possible conclusion here. You're doing so not based upon the weight of the evidence we have available, but the lack thereof.

The bottom line is that he is disgusting.
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You can certainly believe that if you wish. His wife, however; seems to disagree. :shrug:
 
ChrisL said:
How would you know any of this? You don't. The bottom line is that he is disgusting.
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How would you know? The bottom line is you are judging a stranger on rumour and innuendo. He looks creepy so he did it.
 
ChrisL said:
STAY on topic. I know it's hard but I have faith that you can do it.

THIS is not a court room. It is a political debate site where I CAN and WILL give my opinions on subjects. My opinion on this is that Woody Allen is a pedophile.
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MaggieD said:
WTF. This is an opinion thread. Pop along yourself.
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No offence intended, I just noted what I thought was a coincidence between the lines of logic being pursued through two threads that are running simultaneously. In the Knox thread people are arguing that because there's no forensic evidence, she can't be proved guilty. Here the opposite logic is being proposed.

Sorry for the slight diversion.
 
Gathomas88 said:
How would you? :lol:

All I've been saying this whole time is that there's really no reason to jump to the worst possible conclusion here. You're doing so not based upon the weight of the evidence we have available, but the lack thereof.



You can certainly believe that. His wife, however; seems to disagree. :shrug:
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I think it's obvious what was going on there.
 
Andalublue said:
No offence intended, I just noted what I thought was a coincidence between the lines of logic being pursued through two threads that are running simultaneously. In the Knox thread people are arguing that because there's no forensic evidence, she can't be proved guilty. Here the opposite logic is being proposed.

Sorry for the slight diversion.
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There's a big difference between forensic evidence of murder and evidence for child sexual assault. In most cases with a child sexual assault, all we have to go on IS the word of said child. It is one of the most difficult crimes to prove.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How would you know? The bottom line is you are judging a stranger on rumour and innuendo. He looks creepy so he did it.
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Looks creepy? How about IS creepy and actually married his ex's daughter. :shock:
 
vesper said:
I found an article at the Daily Beast that clears up some misconceptions. Do I think it is creepy to date/marry your girlfriend's adopted daughter? Yes.

#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child.

With Woody not even staying at the apartment in the 12 years they were "girlfriend/boyfriend" and the revelation in Vanity Fair last year that the baby boy that was born during their relationship according to Mia could be Frank Sinatra's. Rowan grew up spending time with the Sinatras. Mia married Frank Sinatra when she was 19. And according to her they never stopped seeing each other even while she was with Woody. After their divorce she had an affair with a guy named Previn who was married at the time. It is said that his wife had a breakdown over her husband's affair with Mia. After Previn was divorced he and Mia got married and adopted Soon-Yi. Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

The article goes on to tell about testimony that was given in the sex abuse case that explains why Woody was never charged. The sex abuse allegations by Mia didn't occur until after Allen filed for custody of Rowan, Dylan and Moses.

Moses now has a good relationship with Woody and calls what happened to Rowan and Dylan "brainwashed"

Interesting article
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The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast - The Daily Beast
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Very interesting.

Looks like I may have misjudged Woody, maybe he's not a pervert after all.
 
ChrisL said:
I think it's obvious what was going on there.
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You are, again, certainly entitled to believe that.

However, you can't really deny that the opinion is ultimately only based upon non-factual conjecture. There is no reason for the general public to hold that kind of thing against him.
 
Gathomas88 said:
You are, again, certainly entitled to believe that.

However, you can't really deny that it is ultimately only non-factual conjecture. There is really no reason for the general public to hold that kind of thing against him.
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What? The general public is entitled to their opinions like anyone else. The only people who are held to such standards are jurors and judges, of which I am neither.
 
ChrisL said:
So then, you don't see anything wrong with a step father marrying his 21-year-old step daughter? I mean, they aren't biologically related, so that is acceptable to you?
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If life has taught me anything at all, it's not to judge other people's relationships. I don't concern myself too much with what consenting adults do. The only concern I have is for the allegations of abuse on Dylan who was a child at the time the alleged abused occurred. That's all.
 
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