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    Re: Woody Allen - Pedophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is unusual actually.
    Anecdotally it isn't that uncommon.

    " According to these official figures, the number of reports of child abuse have skyrocketed — from 675,000 reports m 1974 to 1.6 million in 1985, a staggering increase (Besharov, 1985). ........

    Though the number of abuse reports has indeed sky-rocketed, so have the percentage of unfounded reports. These writers now tell us of a second epidemic, that of false reports, a problem which in their view is as damaging as abuse itself (Wakefield & Underwager, 1988).


    .....Legal experts such as Douglas Besharov, the first director for National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, tells us that the percentage of unfounded reports in 1985 reached 65%, as opposed to 35% ten years ago (Besharov, 1985). Practicing attorneys Gordon (1985) and Herzog (1986) have expressed vigorous concerns over the growing legal trends which have stretched the rules of evidence precariously thin. Over the past two years there has also been an explosion of articles on the problem of false reports. Social work specialists like Schultz (1985) as well as psychological and psychiatric experts have responded. Coleman (1986), Green (1986), and Gardner (1987), among many others, are also warning about the dangers facing the clinician as a result of the "epidemic" of false reports....
    IPT Journal - "The Phenomenon of Child Abuse Hysteria as a Social Syndrome: The Case for a New Kind of Expert Testimony"

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    Re: Woody Allen - Pedophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Tell me about it. There are a few too many here guided totally on emotion and not at all by logic or rationality.
    I found on the web the archive article, dated May 4, 1993, posted at the New York Times about the findings of the doctor who headed the Connecticut investigation into whether Woody Allen molested his 7-year-old daughter.


    And I quote from the article
    "Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. Another reason, he said, was that the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, he said she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories." "

    "Dr. Leventhal said: "We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements that were made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination."

    Now the rest of the article

    Dr. Leventhal's remarks were part of a sworn statement made on April 20 and entered into evidence in Mr. Allen's lawsuit to gain custody of Dylan and the couple's two other children. A transcript of the statement was made public yesterday, after editing by both sides to remove some of the most sensitive material.

    The custody trial will conclude this week, with closing arguments beginning today.

    Dr. Leventhal headed the hospital team that was asked by the Connecticut State Police to investigate the claim that Mr. Allen molested Dylan last August at Miss Farrow's summer home in Connecticut. The team told Mr. Allen and Miss Farrow on March 18 that it had concluded that Dylan was not molested, but the transcript gives the first look at the thinking behind that finding.

    Dylan's statements in interviews at the hospital contradicted each other and the story she told on a videotape made by Miss Farrow, Dr. Leventhal said. "Those were not minor inconsistencies," he said. "She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." 'Intense Relationship'

    The doctor suggested a connection between Miss Farrow's outrage over Mr. Allen's affair with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Farrow Previn, and the accusation made by Dylan, who he said was unusually protective of her mother. "It's quite possible -- as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable -- that she stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother," he said.

    Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, he said, "The view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household."

    Dr. Leventhal said it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films.He also said it was possible that Miss Farrow encouraged her child to fabricate simply by videotaping her telling the story, because Dylan liked to perform.
    When you consider the timing of this latest resurrection of abuse claims through the behavior of Mia Farrow and son Rowan's twittering over Woody Allen's latest film being nominated and for his lifetime achievement award, and then a few days later Dylan's open letter telling of her abuse while she takes a shot at all the big stars in past Allen films and couple it with what the doctor's findings were, it's rather revealing.

    Doctor Cites Inconsistencies In Dylan Farrow's Statements - NYTimes.com

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    "....False accusations of sexual abuse are also increasing although there is disagreement as to the frequency and nature of false claims. However, many professionals believe that false accusations have become a serious problem in vindictive and angry divorce and custody battles. Consequently, such false accusations have received much publicity and there have been many articles about this in the literature (Ash, 1985; Benedek & Schetky, 1985a & b; Bishop & Johnson, 1987a & b; Blush & Ross, 1987; Brant & Sink, 1984; Bresee, Stearns, Bess, & Packer, 1986; Dwyer, 1986; Ekman, 1989; Ferguson, D., 1988; Gardner, 1986 & 1987a; Goldzband & Renshaw, undated; Gordon, 1985; Green, 1986; Green & Schetky, 1988; Hindmarch, 1990; Jones & Seig, 1988; Levine, 1986; Levy, 1989; MacFarlane, 1986; Murphy, 1987; Ross & Blush, 1990; Schaefer & Guyer, 1988; Schuman, 1986; Sink, 1988b; Spiegel, 1986; Thoennes and Pearson (1988a & b); Underwager & Wakefield, 1989; Wakefield & Underwager, 1988; Wakefield & Underwager, 1989; Yates & Musty, 1988).

    It is difficult to determine just how often sexual abuse accusations occur in custody and visitation disputes. Theonnes and her colleagues (Thoennes & Pearson 1988a & b; Thoennes & Tjaden, 1990) attempted to get information on the incidence and validity of sexual abuse allegations in divorce and custody cases. They gathered information through telephone interviews and mail surveys from 290 court administrators, judges, custody mediators, and child protection workers throughout the United States. They then conducted 70 in-depth interviews at five sites, and then finally tracked cases of sexual abuse allegations over a six month period from eleven court systems. This latter procedure yielded a pool of 160 cases of sexual abuse allegations.

    They report that the initial survey and interviews at the five sites revealed a general consensus that sexual abuse allegations in custody disputes occur in "a small but growing" number of cases (Theonnes & Pearson, 1988a). They estimate that accusations of sexual abuse are found in approximately 2% of contested custody cases (the range across court sites was 1% to 8%). They state that there are approximately one million divorces annually, and of these, about 55% or 550,000 involve minor children. About 15% of these (82,500) result in court involvement due to custody and/or visitation disputes. Their estimate of 2% sexual abuse accusations in 82,500 custody disputes translates into 1,650 cases of sexual abuse accusations annually within the environment of a divorce/custody dispute.

    We suspect that this estimate is too low. In addition to nearly 200 cases of sexual abuse allegations in divorce and/or custody disputes in which we have been formally involved, we have informally consulted on many more. We receive two or three calls or letters every week. When presenting this topic at a poster session at the American Psychological Society in June, 1990, three psychologists stopped to talk to us about similar cases. One reported having recently dealt with such a case, another reported a close friend who had this happen, and a third told us that she herself had been falsely accused by her former husband in a nasty custody battle.

    Our own experiences cannot be used to estimate a nationwide frequency. Nevertheless, the large number of cases being seen by us and by others who have communicated with us suggests that the actual frequency may be higher than Theonnes and Pearson's estimate. For example, many matrimonial attorneys report that they are now handling more custody cases with sexual abuse allegations (Fisk, 1989).

    There is not agreement as to how many of these cases turn out to be false, although most of the estimates range from one-third to four-fifths. Thoennes and her colleagues report that in 33% of the cases in their survey, no abuse was believed to have occurred. Abuse was believed likely in 50% and in 17% no determination could be reached (Thoennes & Pearson 1988a & b; Thoennes & Tjaden, 1990). However, the decision as to whether the abuse was factual was made by custody evaluators and child protection workers rather than by the justice system.

    Most professionals believe that the proportion of false allegations of child sexual abuse is highest in divorce and custody disputes. Out of approximately 500 cases in which we have provided expert consultation in the past six years involving sexual abuse accusations, 40% were divorce and custody cases. Of these divorce and custody cases that have been adjudicated, for three-fourths there was no determination of abuse by the legal system. That is, charges were dropped or never filed or the person was acquitted in criminal court, or there was no finding of abuse in family court.

    Dwyer (1986) reports similar statistics. She states that 77% of the divorce-linked allegations of sex abuse cases coming to the Human Sexuality Program at the University of Minnesota have turned out to be "hoax" cases. This was based upon the opinion reached by the agency staff that the allegations were not accurate..."
    IPT Journal - "Personality Characteristics of Parents Making False Accusations of Sexual Abuse in Custody Disputes"

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    "...In many cases allegations of child sexual abuse occur in a nasty divorce made nastier by a custody fight. It is now so common that it has received scholarly attention and its own acronym, S.A.I.D. (Sexual Allegations in Divorce). The consensus is that in "S.A.I.D. syndrome" cases the number of such allegations increased so rapidly — up from 7 to 30% in the eighties — that one scholarly team called it an "explosion." Others, noting how often the guilt of the accused was assumed, used the word "hysteria" and searched for analogies in the Salem and the McCarthy witch hunts (Stein, 1992).

    Another consensus is being reached: that the majority of these allegations are false. Melvin Guyer, Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan, reports that "in highly contested custody cases where the allegation is made, a number of researchers have found the allegations to be false or unsubstantiated in anywhere from 60 to 80% of those cases " (Felten, 1991). Another investigative team stated that of 200 cases they studied" about three-fourths have ultimately been adjudicated as no abuse" (Felten, 1991). Some studies have come in with a lower but still significant estimate. For example, a 1988 study by the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts said that sexual molestation charges in divorces are probably false one-third of the time (Dvorchak, 1992).

    Allegations of child abuse, both divorce related and in general, are flying out so frequently that those who believe themselves victimized by false charges have organized a nationwide support group, VOCAL (Victims Of Child Abuse Laws), which now includes 80 local chapters. This group refers its members to both informal and professional counsel, sends out a newsletter, and offers access to a rapidly expanding data base. In 1989, its summary of relevant statistics cited 23 studies which reported findings on both sexual and non-sexual child abuse. Among these, the lowest assessment of false allegation was 35%, the highest 82%, averaging at 66%..."
    IPT Journal - "Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth"

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    Re: Woody Allen - Pedophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "...In many cases allegations of child sexual abuse occur in a nasty divorce made nastier by a custody fight. It is now so common that it has received scholarly attention and its own acronym, S.A.I.D. (Sexual Allegations in Divorce). The consensus is that in "S.A.I.D. syndrome" cases the number of such allegations increased so rapidly — up from 7 to 30% in the eighties — that one scholarly team called it an "explosion." Others, noting how often the guilt of the accused was assumed, used the word "hysteria" and searched for analogies in the Salem and the McCarthy witch hunts (Stein, 1992).

    Another consensus is being reached: that the majority of these allegations are false. Melvin Guyer, Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan, reports that "in highly contested custody cases where the allegation is made, a number of researchers have found the allegations to be false or unsubstantiated in anywhere from 60 to 80% of those cases " (Felten, 1991). Another investigative team stated that of 200 cases they studied" about three-fourths have ultimately been adjudicated as no abuse" (Felten, 1991). Some studies have come in with a lower but still significant estimate. For example, a 1988 study by the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts said that sexual molestation charges in divorces are probably false one-third of the time (Dvorchak, 1992).

    Allegations of child abuse, both divorce related and in general, are flying out so frequently that those who believe themselves victimized by false charges have organized a nationwide support group, VOCAL (Victims Of Child Abuse Laws), which now includes 80 local chapters. This group refers its members to both informal and professional counsel, sends out a newsletter, and offers access to a rapidly expanding data base. In 1989, its summary of relevant statistics cited 23 studies which reported findings on both sexual and non-sexual child abuse. Among these, the lowest assessment of false allegation was 35%, the highest 82%, averaging at 66%..."
    IPT Journal - "Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth"
    Interesting. I also find it interesting that the article that says that child abuse is most likely to happen in single mother households. I really have a hard time believing that MOST cases are false allegations. Do you really believe that?

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    Re: Woody Allen - Pedophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is unusual actually.
    Source evidence for this claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I've never claimed he's 'a regular dude'. He, and Farrow, are equally weird, but weird isn't criminal, isn't paedophile and is none of our business.
    None of our business. Really? That's your argument? That seems like flat-out apologism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    None of our business. Really? That's your argument? That seems like flat-out apologism.
    If they're not breaking the law, whose business is it the way someone conducts their private life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If they're not breaking the law, whose business is it the way someone conducts their private life?

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    Re: Woody Allen - Pedophile?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    Yup, that's exactly the kind of person who emotes about the lives of others.
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