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My immigration reform plan

Do you support this plan?

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Voltaire X

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1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.
 
So you basically just give citizenship to the millions who came to the U.S. illegally? This will not solve the problem just make it far worse while simultaneously spitting ion the face of anyone who came to the U.S. legally.
 
Not just no, but hell no. Every single illegal in this country who came here for any reason whatsoever needs to be thrown out of the country, period. While I'd like to see them denied citizenship forever, I'll settle for being sent to the back of the line and having to wait years before returning. Anyone on the list who comes back into the country illegally for any reason will be denied citizenship, and/or shot.

If you don't care enough to follow our laws, I don't want you in this country.
 
1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.


Great plan, I would make this minor change:

Step Number: 2) They will then be put on a bus and transported permanently back to Mexico.

Steps 3) and 4) are then deleted.
 
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1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.

What will that mean for persons that would like to be in the US, but cannot legally do so.
 
Any illegal immigration plan that doesn't include moats, crocodiles, and a modern day take on Einsatzgruppen or the KZ system is weak sauce.
 
What will that mean for persons that would like to be in the US, but cannot legally do so.

This doesn't really address visas being given out to foreign nationals who want to come to the US, but personally I think it should be very easy to get a work visa or something.
 
This doesn't really address visas being given out to foreign nationals who want to come to the US, but personally I think it should be very easy to get a work visa or something.
I mean, why shouldn't anyone just come to the US and sign the papers? Why worry about visas and green cards?
 
I mean, why shouldn't anyone just come to the US and sign the papers? Why worry about visas and green cards?

Well, they'd have to illegally cross the border first, which is very dangerous. I'm not against increasing security at the border, maybe that could be part of the plan. I don't think that people would suddenly decide to risk their lives crossing the border simply because of an immigration reform plan. The people who would take that risk likely will do it regardless of our immigration policy.
 
I don't think a single way can be found that is fair or right.

I think for people who were brought here at a young age there should be allowances made. It's not like a 4 year old has any say in where their parents take them or has any sort of 'home' to go back to. They may have spent the majority of their lives here and understandably would consider themselves from here.

For those who came when they were adults a different system needs to be devised. They knew what they were doing was wrong. I can see a relatively stiff penalty or even deportation being done.
 
1. Remove the EIOR from the DoJ and put the functions back under INS
2. Expand the immigration courts so that they can process cases faster
3. Institute a national program where employers who knowingly hire illegals lose their right to hire employees for 5 years on a first offense and permanently on a subsequent offense
4. If an individual is found to be here illegally they will be subject to deportation
5. If someone was brought into the country illegally as a child they will be subject to deportation as will their parents or whoever brought them here
6. If someone is here illegally and has a child that child can stay but they have to go
7. Institute a streamlined and sponsored program for temporary workers. Temporary means one year or less and the temp worker can not be accompanied.
8. If you can get a green card before you get caught then you win. If not, see you later
9. Drop the 5 year LPR requirement for N-400 eligibility to 2 years
10. Militarize the border
 
3. Institute a national program where employers who knowingly hire illegals lose their right to hire employees for 5 years on a first offense and permanently on a subsequent offense

I don't know how you'd enforce that, employers would just hire employees under the table. I'd prefer spot checks by employment officials, similar to fire safety checks, where they come in, pull 5-10 random files and make sure all of the paperwork is filled out properly. If anyone is found to have employed an illegal, their records are opened completely and they are fined $10,000 per offense. If they are found to have done so again, their business license is pulled.
 
I don't know how you'd enforce that, employers would just hire employees under the table. I'd prefer spot checks by employment officials, similar to fire safety checks, where they come in, pull 5-10 random files and make sure all of the paperwork is filled out properly. If anyone is found to have employed an illegal, their records are opened completely and they are fined $10,000 per offense. If they are found to have done so again, their business license is pulled.

You handle it the same way they do now with spot checks and referrals. It's a rather simple process to flag businesses that suddenly have a huge expansion of their "subcontractor" expenses.
 
Well, they'd have to illegally cross the border first, which is very dangerous. I'm not against increasing security at the border, maybe that could be part of the plan. I don't think that people would suddenly decide to risk their lives crossing the border simply because of an immigration reform plan. The people who would take that risk likely will do it regardless of our immigration policy.

That is possible. It seems to me that the costs of crossing the boarder and the fact the money is wasted and gone if caught reduces the number willing to take the risk. Also, coming in from Canada is easy enough and visiting visas are easier still. The flight into Kennedy is cheap etc.
 
Well, they'd have to illegally cross the border first, which is very dangerous. I'm not against increasing security at the border, maybe that could be part of the plan. I don't think that people would suddenly decide to risk their lives crossing the border simply because of an immigration reform plan. The people who would take that risk likely will do it regardless of our immigration policy.

I would have thought that reducing costs, risks and increasing the probability of success might convince more people to come.
 
You handle it the same way they do now with spot checks and referrals. It's a rather simple process to flag businesses that suddenly have a huge expansion of their "subcontractor" expenses.

The problem is, they don't check it now with spot checks, there is no regular visit to every company in the nation by immigration officials. They only go and check if they get complaints. I want it to be a regular, unscheduled thing like the health department and the fire department. You get hit at least once a year, you just never know when they're coming.
 
I would have thought that reducing costs, risks and increasing the probability of success might convince more people to come.

I heard on the radio a while back that a survey in Mexico suggested that upwards of 70% of Mexicans would cross the border illegally into the U.S. if they thought they could make it and not get caught. 70%.
 
The problem is, they don't check it now with spot checks, there is no regular visit to every company in the nation by immigration officials. They only go and check if they get complaints. I want it to be a regular, unscheduled thing like the health department and the fire department. You get hit at least once a year, you just never know when they're coming.

They actually do use spot checks but most of the visits are on referral. It wouldn't be a problem to expand the checks AND improve the system to get better results on referrals.
 
1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.

Couple of questions...

What happens if said immigrant refuses to fill out the paperwork? Is there a cut off for this? IE, many people wait in their home country and go through the proper channels, taking quite some time in some circumstances, waiting for the proper approval to even come over here into the US? Will people who just waltz in during that time and go "Give me the paperwork" able to just bypass that? Additionally, to my understanding there are financial issues regarding immigration. Will those here in this country have to deal with that, or not? And if so...what happens if they can't or won't pay it? Finally, I see no suggestions of any kind of negative action towards those here, so if I understand you correctly you're suggestion would be granting all those who have broken the law full amnesty, with their violations being entirely forgiven?

I thank you for sharing your immigration plan and I think there are parts of it I agree with...but by and large there's no way I would be able to support your plan
 
They actually do use spot checks but most of the visits are on referral. It wouldn't be a problem to expand the checks AND improve the system to get better results on referrals.

And that's perfectly fine, I just don't want to see companies that can keep their illegal activities under the radar, I want everyone to get checked. While they're there, these agents can check for irregularities of all kinds, such as paying employees under the table, etc. I want every company to operate on a level playing field and I don't care if that's Walmart or the local mom & pop store. Everyone gets treated the same and everyone is held to the same standards.
 
To the OP, are you channelling the ghost of Reagan?
 
And that's perfectly fine, I just don't want to see companies that can keep their illegal activities under the radar, I want everyone to get checked. While they're there, these agents can check for irregularities of all kinds, such as paying employees under the table, etc. I want every company to operate on a level playing field and I don't care if that's Walmart or the local mom & pop store. Everyone gets treated the same and everyone is held to the same standards.

While it would be far too expensive to regularly check every business there is already plenty of information available in various systems (the IRS in particular) that would make targeting likely violators fairly easy. In fact the IRS is already doing 1099 matching and has been for a while. You do have to keep in mind that if there are 1000 people looking at 1,000,000 businesses that's still a workload of 1000 cases a year per investigator even before you get into building a case for prosecution.
 
While it would be far too expensive to regularly check every business there is already plenty of information available in various systems (the IRS in particular) that would make targeting likely violators fairly easy. In fact the IRS is already doing 1099 matching and has been for a while. You do have to keep in mind that if there are 1000 people looking at 1,000,000 businesses that's still a workload of 1000 cases a year per investigator even before you get into building a case for prosecution.

No it wouldn't, all of those $10,000 fines would easily pay for the program. They can make even more by taking a cut of IRS fraud fines as well. If you walk into a big box store with 20 illegal employees, that's $200,000 for one day's work. I don't think money is going to be a problem.
 
No it wouldn't, all of those $10,000 fines would easily pay for the program. They can make even more by taking a cut of IRS fraud fines as well. If you walk into a big box store with 20 illegal employees, that's $200,000 for one day's work. I don't think money is going to be a problem.

I hear you but from a practical standpoint there's still going to be a back end on this where the lawyers get involved.
 
I hear you but from a practical standpoint there's still going to be a back end on this where the lawyers get involved.

Sure, but you sue for legal costs too and recoup that money.
 
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