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Thread: My immigration reform plan

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    To the OP, are you channelling the ghost of Reagan?

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And that's perfectly fine, I just don't want to see companies that can keep their illegal activities under the radar, I want everyone to get checked. While they're there, these agents can check for irregularities of all kinds, such as paying employees under the table, etc. I want every company to operate on a level playing field and I don't care if that's Walmart or the local mom & pop store. Everyone gets treated the same and everyone is held to the same standards.
    While it would be far too expensive to regularly check every business there is already plenty of information available in various systems (the IRS in particular) that would make targeting likely violators fairly easy. In fact the IRS is already doing 1099 matching and has been for a while. You do have to keep in mind that if there are 1000 people looking at 1,000,000 businesses that's still a workload of 1000 cases a year per investigator even before you get into building a case for prosecution.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    While it would be far too expensive to regularly check every business there is already plenty of information available in various systems (the IRS in particular) that would make targeting likely violators fairly easy. In fact the IRS is already doing 1099 matching and has been for a while. You do have to keep in mind that if there are 1000 people looking at 1,000,000 businesses that's still a workload of 1000 cases a year per investigator even before you get into building a case for prosecution.
    No it wouldn't, all of those $10,000 fines would easily pay for the program. They can make even more by taking a cut of IRS fraud fines as well. If you walk into a big box store with 20 illegal employees, that's $200,000 for one day's work. I don't think money is going to be a problem.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No it wouldn't, all of those $10,000 fines would easily pay for the program. They can make even more by taking a cut of IRS fraud fines as well. If you walk into a big box store with 20 illegal employees, that's $200,000 for one day's work. I don't think money is going to be a problem.
    I hear you but from a practical standpoint there's still going to be a back end on this where the lawyers get involved.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I hear you but from a practical standpoint there's still going to be a back end on this where the lawyers get involved.
    Sure, but you sue for legal costs too and recoup that money.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Couple of questions...

    What happens if said immigrant refuses to fill out the paperwork? Is there a cut off for this? IE, many people wait in their home country and go through the proper channels, taking quite some time in some circumstances, waiting for the proper approval to even come over here into the US? Will people who just waltz in during that time and go "Give me the paperwork" able to just bypass that? Additionally, to my understanding there are financial issues regarding immigration. Will those here in this country have to deal with that, or not? And if so...what happens if they can't or won't pay it? Finally, I see no suggestions of any kind of negative action towards those here, so if I understand you correctly you're suggestion would be granting all those who have broken the law full amnesty, with their violations being entirely forgiven?

    I thank you for sharing your immigration plan and I think there are parts of it I agree with...but by and large there's no way I would be able to support your plan
    They would be forced to fill out the paperwork. They wouldn't be kicked out while the paperwork is waiting approval. There will be no fine, either, because the amount of money saved over the long term by incorporating these people in society will probably make it worth it.

    The 12+ million illegals currently in the US will never be deported. Many of you are going to have to give up this fantasy where the government hunts down 12 million people and kicks them out of the country. The illegals are here to stay, and there is nothing you can do about it.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    They would be forced to fill out the paperwork. They wouldn't be kicked out while the paperwork is waiting approval. There will be no fine, either, because the amount of money saved over the long term by incorporating these people in society will probably make it worth it.

    The 12+ million illegals currently in the US will never be deported. Many of you are going to have to give up this fantasy where the government hunts down 12 million people and kicks them out of the country. The illegals are here to stay, and there is nothing you can do about it.
    Your plan wouldn't work, heck, it didn't work last time when Reagan tried it.

    As to that last, you're wrong. There is something we can do about it, what we have been doing. Every time some idiot politician, either party, stumps for amnesty we put their re-election hopes in jeopardy. That always swings enough of them around to quash the effort. And please, drop the debunked framing of the issue. No one has suggested hunting them down. What we have been saying is that we deport them when we catch them - no exceptions. That we make services unavailable to them so they have no other choice than to self-deport.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your plan wouldn't work, heck, it didn't work last time when Reagan tried it.

    As to that last, you're wrong. There is something we can do about it, what we have been doing. Every time some idiot politician, either party, stumps for amnesty we put their re-election hopes in jeopardy. That always swings enough of them around to quash the effort. And please, drop the debunked framing of the issue. No one has suggested hunting them down. What we have been saying is that we deport them when we catch them - no exceptions. That we make services unavailable to them so they have no other choice than to self-deport.
    Does denying them services include denying them access to medical treatment? What about their children (who are also illegal immigrants, the "dreamers")? Should they get educational benefits?

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Does denying them services include denying them access to medical treatment? What about their children (who are also illegal immigrants, the "dreamers")? Should they get educational benefits?
    I'm fine with them getting emergency medical treatment, so long as they are turned over to immigration for a fast trip back across the border thereafter. No, I don't want illegal immigrants getting access to free education. If the children were born here and are thus citizens, fine, but again, I think that should entitle the parents to a quick boot in the seat of the pants across the border.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

    2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

    3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

    4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.
    Your solution only encourages more illegal immigration it doesn't stop or even slow it down.Your solution amounts to pouring gas on a fire and expecting it to be put out.


    Here is what the solution should be.



    1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities.

    2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate( in rare cases a non-availability birth certificate where it has been investigated that the individual was born in the US), green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your minor kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities

    3.Mandate E-verify for every employer.

    4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.







    Seeing how many of these people here illegally came her on a visa and let it expire we should also cut off visas to citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with until those numbers go down.
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