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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    1. Remove the EIOR from the DoJ and put the functions back under INS
    2. Expand the immigration courts so that they can process cases faster
    3. Institute a national program where employers who knowingly hire illegals lose their right to hire employees for 5 years on a first offense and permanently on a subsequent offense
    4. If an individual is found to be here illegally they will be subject to deportation
    5. If someone was brought into the country illegally as a child they will be subject to deportation as will their parents or whoever brought them here
    6. If someone is here illegally and has a child that child can stay but they have to go
    7. Institute a streamlined and sponsored program for temporary workers. Temporary means one year or less and the temp worker can not be accompanied.
    8. If you can get a green card before you get caught then you win. If not, see you later
    9. Drop the 5 year LPR requirement for N-400 eligibility to 2 years
    10. Militarize the border

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    3. Institute a national program where employers who knowingly hire illegals lose their right to hire employees for 5 years on a first offense and permanently on a subsequent offense
    I don't know how you'd enforce that, employers would just hire employees under the table. I'd prefer spot checks by employment officials, similar to fire safety checks, where they come in, pull 5-10 random files and make sure all of the paperwork is filled out properly. If anyone is found to have employed an illegal, their records are opened completely and they are fined $10,000 per offense. If they are found to have done so again, their business license is pulled.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know how you'd enforce that, employers would just hire employees under the table. I'd prefer spot checks by employment officials, similar to fire safety checks, where they come in, pull 5-10 random files and make sure all of the paperwork is filled out properly. If anyone is found to have employed an illegal, their records are opened completely and they are fined $10,000 per offense. If they are found to have done so again, their business license is pulled.
    You handle it the same way they do now with spot checks and referrals. It's a rather simple process to flag businesses that suddenly have a huge expansion of their "subcontractor" expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Well, they'd have to illegally cross the border first, which is very dangerous. I'm not against increasing security at the border, maybe that could be part of the plan. I don't think that people would suddenly decide to risk their lives crossing the border simply because of an immigration reform plan. The people who would take that risk likely will do it regardless of our immigration policy.
    That is possible. It seems to me that the costs of crossing the boarder and the fact the money is wasted and gone if caught reduces the number willing to take the risk. Also, coming in from Canada is easy enough and visiting visas are easier still. The flight into Kennedy is cheap etc.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Well, they'd have to illegally cross the border first, which is very dangerous. I'm not against increasing security at the border, maybe that could be part of the plan. I don't think that people would suddenly decide to risk their lives crossing the border simply because of an immigration reform plan. The people who would take that risk likely will do it regardless of our immigration policy.
    I would have thought that reducing costs, risks and increasing the probability of success might convince more people to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You handle it the same way they do now with spot checks and referrals. It's a rather simple process to flag businesses that suddenly have a huge expansion of their "subcontractor" expenses.
    The problem is, they don't check it now with spot checks, there is no regular visit to every company in the nation by immigration officials. They only go and check if they get complaints. I want it to be a regular, unscheduled thing like the health department and the fire department. You get hit at least once a year, you just never know when they're coming.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I would have thought that reducing costs, risks and increasing the probability of success might convince more people to come.
    I heard on the radio a while back that a survey in Mexico suggested that upwards of 70% of Mexicans would cross the border illegally into the U.S. if they thought they could make it and not get caught. 70%.
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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, they don't check it now with spot checks, there is no regular visit to every company in the nation by immigration officials. They only go and check if they get complaints. I want it to be a regular, unscheduled thing like the health department and the fire department. You get hit at least once a year, you just never know when they're coming.
    They actually do use spot checks but most of the visits are on referral. It wouldn't be a problem to expand the checks AND improve the system to get better results on referrals.

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    1) Every illegal immigrant in the US will fill out a piece of paperwork giving their name, DOB, etc.

    2) Upon filling out the paperwork, they will be automatically enrolled in the current line to become a US citizen, and they will be granted permanent legal status until they become US citizens (providing they commit no serious felonies)

    3) There will be no new citizenship line created; the current illegals will be sent to the back of the current line to become a US citizen. If this line needs to be sped up, it will be sped up. However, the illegals do not need to go back to their home country or anything; they just need to fill out a piece of paperwork.

    4) If the INS finds them and finds out they haven't filled out the paperwork, they will be given the paperwork and instructed to fill it out. No one will be deported for filling out the paperwork.
    Couple of questions...

    What happens if said immigrant refuses to fill out the paperwork? Is there a cut off for this? IE, many people wait in their home country and go through the proper channels, taking quite some time in some circumstances, waiting for the proper approval to even come over here into the US? Will people who just waltz in during that time and go "Give me the paperwork" able to just bypass that? Additionally, to my understanding there are financial issues regarding immigration. Will those here in this country have to deal with that, or not? And if so...what happens if they can't or won't pay it? Finally, I see no suggestions of any kind of negative action towards those here, so if I understand you correctly you're suggestion would be granting all those who have broken the law full amnesty, with their violations being entirely forgiven?

    I thank you for sharing your immigration plan and I think there are parts of it I agree with...but by and large there's no way I would be able to support your plan

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    Re: My immigration reform plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    They actually do use spot checks but most of the visits are on referral. It wouldn't be a problem to expand the checks AND improve the system to get better results on referrals.
    And that's perfectly fine, I just don't want to see companies that can keep their illegal activities under the radar, I want everyone to get checked. While they're there, these agents can check for irregularities of all kinds, such as paying employees under the table, etc. I want every company to operate on a level playing field and I don't care if that's Walmart or the local mom & pop store. Everyone gets treated the same and everyone is held to the same standards.
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