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Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    Votes: 18 33.3%

  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    Votes: 6 11.1%

  • No, she isn't guilty.

    Votes: 30 55.6%
  • Total voters
    54
earthworm said:
A predictable conservative response. Italy does have a legitimate right in this case..We are not the world's supreme power, and never were.
Dude, I find your attitude to be reprehensible..
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I find your attitude to be shortsighted and its amazing that "progressive" and hate America is so often linked. As I noted, most of those screaming for this woman to be extradited are American hating EuroSocialists--including some American residing wannabe Eurosocialists
 
Ben K. said:
Belfast Telegraph?

None of this is convincing evidence. Why is Guede's DNA the only one at the murder scene? How does one professionally clean a scene to remove their DNA but not that of Guede? How did such an odd troupe of people turn out to be murderers? Why do they leave the guy they don't really know to masturbate on the body?
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Actually Knox DNA is there as well. :roll:

The Independent said:
Although not visible to the naked eye, the chemical Luminol which flashes blue on contact with blood revealed a spot in the room of the flatmate whose window had been smashed and room rifled. Swabbing the spot produced a mixture of Amanda and Meredith’s DNA. This is a clear proof that the murderer entered that bedroom after the murder, as someone must have brought Meredith’s blood into the room, contradicting the defence theory that Rudy Guede broke into the house and then committed the murder. The usual defence explanation for mixed DNA stains in the bathroom and corridor, namely that the house would have been coated in Amanda’s DNA given that she lived there, does not necessarily apply to a flatmate’s bedroom. It is much harder to leave traces of DNA than is commonly conceived, and hardly any of Amanda's DNA was found in her own room - where she surely spent a lot more time than in her flatmate's.

It's not right to say there is
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Mixed Blood/DNA said:
Knox's DNA was found comingled with the victim's blood in five places, in visible dilute blood traces in the bathroom and elsewhere in footprints revealed with Luminol. Two Luminol traces were discovered in the room where the burglary was staged; one of these is a mixed trace. These are referred to as L1 and L2. Both traces are presumed to be blood and both contained the victim's DNA. There is no plausible explanation for this evidence that does not involve Knox being at least involved in the clean up after the murder.

The Murder of Meredith Kercher
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Here's the rest of the DNA Evidence - Other DNA Evidence - The Murder of Meredith Kercher

As for Belfast it's quite a large city with an urban population approaching half a million, and the Belfast Telegraph is a respected newspaper, it's also just one of many sources I used.
 
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Andalublue said:
You say leap, I say logic. The message of the Sixties counter-culture was the very opposite of self-obsession; it was about communal living, loving one another, peace and anti-materialism/anti-consumerism.
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That era also was the paving of the most worthless generation to ever grace this planet. Frankly, the Baby Boomer crowd can't die off fast enough.
 
Gipper said:
That era also was the paving of the most worthless generation to ever grace this planet. Frankly, the Baby Boomer crowd can't die off fast enough.
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Gee, thanks. :(
 
EdwinWillers said:
Gee, thanks. :(
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Relax, not all of you.

Think of it in Twilight terms, but with Forrest Gump - Forrest graduated from college (Alabama, but still a college), became a war hero, started a business and became very successful. Jenny was a nomadic, drug-addled hippie who coasted through life as a loser, only to die young from her own irresponsibility.

Are you on Team Forrest or Team Jenny? Team Forrest is the salvageable part of that generation. Team Jenny needs to die off already.
 
Captain America said:
Does Italy have a double jeopardy law? That was the court and laws she was convicted under.

We do, however, need to give some weight to honoring of extridition laws, I suppose. Otherwise, any mafioso hitman could just run to Italy for protection.

But, I do think it's more about politics than justice. It's also about the ego of an undefeated prosecutor getting his cherry popped for the first time. I think she was tried in a kangaroo court.

All that being said, here's my take on it. I think she should voluntarily submit to a, legally non-binding, polygraph test. She should be asked 2 questions and 2 questions only.

1. Did you kill the person?
2. Were you part of a conspiracy to kill the person?

If her answers are "no," to both questions and she passes the test, she should be protected by the full weight of the US government and even the military if need be.

If she answers yes to either question, she's on her own.
If she refuses the test, she's on her own.
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I wouldn't call the Italian System a Kangaroo Court, if anything I agree with 'The Economists' take that the Italian System may in fact be too scrupulous of the facts and therefore too lengthy. :)

Italian justice: Untimely | The Economist
 
Chatter said:
Actually Knox DNA is there as well. :roll:





Here's the rest of the DNA Evidence - Other DNA Evidence - The Murder of Meredith Kercher

As for Belfast it's quite a large city with an urban population approaching half a million, and the Belfast Telegraph is a respected newspaper, it's also just one of many sources I used.
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These sites you cite are hilarious. A wiki dedicated to the murder? Hmm, I wonder why they'd feed off speculation as click bait. None of this even answers the questions I posed.

I know what Belfast is, I live right beside it. The telegraph is no better than the daily mail.
 
Ben K. said:
These sites you cite are hilarious. A wiki dedicated to the murder? Hmm, I wonder why they'd feed off speculation as click bait. None of this even answers the questions I posed.

I know what Belfast is, I live right beside it. The telegraph is no better than the daily mail.
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The fact you don't think there is any DNA evidence is a sad

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What forensic evidence was used?

Prosecutors pointed to a bra clasp belonging to Meredith Kercher where Sollecito's DNA was reportedly found. They maintained that Amanda Knox's DNA was on the handle of a kitchen knife used in the attack, with Ms Kercher's DNA on the blade. In addition, traces of Knox's blood and footprints were found in the house.

BBC News - Q&A: Meredith Kercher murder retrial convictions
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Ben K. said:
The BBC link does not at all follow on from what you were previously arguing.
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Yes it does, it's with regard to the forensic DNA evidence, in relation to mixed blood DNA and foot prints. :roll:

BBC said:
What forensic evidence was used?

Prosecutors pointed to a bra clasp belonging to Meredith Kercher where Sollecito's DNA was reportedly found. They maintained that Amanda Knox's DNA was on the handle of a kitchen knife used in the attack, with Ms Kercher's DNA on the blade. In addition, traces of Knox's blood and footprints were found in the house.

BBC News - Q&A: Meredith Kercher murder retrial convictions
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Chatter said:
Yes it does, it's with regard to the forensic DNA evidence.
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No it doesn't, since the BBC doesn't say anything about knox DNA being in the room where the murder took place. They found Guede's dna and his cum, but the meticulous clean up effort by the two twenty something's somehow preserved his evidence but fumbled elsewhere. Laughable.
 
Ben K. said:
No it doesn't, since the BBC doesn't say anything about knox DNA being in the room where the murder took place. They found Guede's dna and his cum, but the meticulous clean up effort by the two twenty something's somehow preserved his evidence but fumbled elsewhere. Laughable.
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I did post it above but will post it again. :roll:

The Independent (London) said:
Second – the mixed stain. Although not visible to the naked eye, the chemical Luminol which flashes blue on contact with blood revealed a spot in the room of the flatmate whose window had been smashed and room rifled. Swabbing the spot produced a mixture of Amanda and Meredith’s DNA. This is a clear proof that the murderer entered that bedroom after the murder, as someone must have brought Meredith’s blood into the room, contradicting the defence theory that Rudy Guede broke into the house and then committed the murder. The usual defence explanation for mixed DNA stains in the bathroom and corridor, namely that the house would have been coated in Amanda’s DNA given that she lived there, does not necessarily apply to a flatmate’s bedroom. It is much harder to leave traces of DNA than is commonly conceived, and hardly any of Amanda's DNA was found in her own room - where she surely spent a lot more time than in her flatmate's.

It's not right to say there is
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Chatter said:
I did post it above but will post it again. :roll:
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That is from the wiki. The BBC q&a does not support those allegations Are you following?

Do you have anything to explain how these 3 people came into contact within three weeks of the murder and worked together on it? Do you have any explanation for a couple of twenty something's professionally cleaning a crime scene while leaving all the evidence of the other guy? Is there any scenario that makes sense that implicates all three?
 
Ben K. said:
No it doesn't, since the BBC doesn't say anything about knox DNA being in the room where the murder took place. They found Guede's dna and his cum, but the meticulous clean up effort by the two twenty something's somehow preserved his evidence but fumbled elsewhere. Laughable.
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That is one of the more damning arguments against "guilty" verdict
 
TurtleDude said:
That is one of the more damning arguments against "guilty" verdict
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along with the phony baloney confession, where the police grilled her for hours without notifying the US Consulate or informing her of her right to have consular officer present in violation of the Vienna Convention, I wonder what that interview would've really sounded like if a witness other then the police were there....
 
It's cool. If Foxy ever makes it to England, she can stay with me. I'll hide her.

In my bed.
 
NoC_T said:
It's cool. If Foxy ever makes it to England, she can stay with me. I'll hide her.

In my bed.
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as wrong as it is.... I laughed out loud when reading that....
 
EMNofSeattle said:
along with the phony baloney confession, where the police grilled her for hours without notifying the US Consulate or informing her of her right to have consular officer present in violation of the Vienna Convention, I wonder what that interview would've really sounded like if a witness other then the police were there....
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I am all for getting the interrogators "renditioned" and hooking them up to a car battery so we can find out the truth!
 
NoC_T said:
It's cool. If Foxy ever makes it to England, she can stay with me. I'll hide her.

In my bed.
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nothing wrong with that-she is absolutely stunning
 
None of the poll options fit so I didnt vote.

I dont know if she's guilty or not but I know that there's no way in Hell I'd go back to Italy if I could avoid it.
 
Ben K. said:
That is from the wiki. The BBC q&a does not support those allegations Are you following?

Do you have anything to explain how these 3 people came into contact within three weeks of the murder and worked together on it? Do you have any explanation for a couple of twenty something's professionally cleaning a crime scene while leaving all the evidence of the other guy? Is there any scenario that makes sense that implicates all three?
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The BBC Q&A simply tells you what the allegations are, including forensics, as does The Independent Article and to suggest there is no DNA evidence is wrong, whilst evidence also points to the fact Knox didn't stay at her boyfriends and watch the film that night, there was a staged break in, the body was moved and a lot of DNA was removed via cleaning. :roll:

You can believe what you want, I honestly don't care - good luck with that :shock:

However personally I agree with Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University School of Law who also thinks there is significant evidence, as does fellow US Law Professor Julian Ku, and both agree that Knox should be extradited. :)

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Chatter said:
The BBC Q&A simply tells you what the allegations are.

You can believe what you want, I honestly don't care. However personally I agree with Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University School of Law who also thinks there is significant evidence, as does fellow US Law Professor Julian Ku, and both agree that Knox should be extradited.
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Two law professors? And what about the rest?

Yes, that there is no Knox DNA or fingerprints in the room Kerscher was murdered. There is of the man currently imprisoned, a man with a history of home invasions and acting like it was his home, who may walk free before Solletico and Knox's cases are settled.
And that is justice for the Kerscher family?
 
Extradition applies to many people besides Amanda Knox. One has to wonder about where we would be if all extraditions were honored on the basis of the laws in the requesting nation.
 
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Extradition applies to many people besides Amanda Knox. One has to wonder about where we would be if all extraditions were honored on the basis of the laws in the requesting nation.
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Well they should be. It's a little hypocritical IMO, to have a system which we feel is the best system, but extradite people who have been convicted in courts that apply questionable tactics. As careful as we are here in the US to avoid mistakes (whether they be human error or deliberate - which happens more often than you would think), we still end up imprisoning innocent people. I am not comfortable at all with the circumstantial events that the prosecutors in Italy presented as "evidence." We are talking about a young woman's LIFE here. We should certainly not just extradite our citizens to other countries unless the trial and conviction passes OUR ideals of justice IMO.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
We've all heard the story; I'm sure I don't need to fill you in.

American student Amanda Knox has, after appeal, been convicted of the murder of a British student in Italy along with her Italian boyfriend.

Amanda Knox has been with her family in Seattle during the trial, but now Italy is going to make an extradition request and put Knox in prison for the murder.

What are your thoughts on the subject?
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My answer is: NO, SHE ALREADY STOOD TRIAL ONCE AND WAS DECLARED NOT GUILTY BY AN APPELLATE COURT. You didn't have that choice, so I checked "No she isn't guilty."
 
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