View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Every O.J. can be matched with others wrongfully convicted due to police overzealousness. Having a justice system that sends you backwards in meting out justice is principally worse than nothing having one at all.
    I know. I was joking about the police's creative methodologies.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Tell Italy to stick their extradition request where the light don't shine and if Italy makes any attempt to grab the girl, send in a kill team to waste any Italian involved in such activity
    How would you feel if an Italian national committed a crime on US soil, fled back to Italy, and then Italy killed any Americans involved in trying to get him or her back to the United States?

    Surely the situation is analogous? Or do you believe Americans have some sort of divine right to be above the law?

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. Considering the Double Jeopardy issue she should not be extradited to Italy. However, if she leaves the US and is arrested elsewhere on the warrant she should not get US assistance.

    This whole issue shows why no intelligent American ever leaves thus country to begin with.
    Don't be an absurd -- what you're recommending is a recipe for ignorance and xenophobia. The wide world is a fascinating and beautiful place, and the vast majority of it does not lie within the boundaries of your country.

    Perhaps wiser advice is, "Don't murder people", potentially with an added "Especially in foreign countries."

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    America stricktly refuses most extraditions into any country in the world and Europe refuses most of extraditions into the US

    So either way, before specific cases can be debated, a common understanding would have to be found by both regions.

    And that is not likely to happen.
    That's very much untrue. The US has lots of extradition treaties, and in fact extradites US nationals all the time. It's just common courtesy -- otherwise, what's to stop other countries from refusing to extradite criminals to the US?

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    How would you feel if an Italian national committed a crime on US soil, fled back to Italy, and then Italy killed any Americans involved in trying to get him or her back to the United States?

    Surely the situation is analogous? Or do you believe Americans have some sort of divine right to be above the law?
    1) the bold part distinguishes this

    2) I am an American. One of the purposes of government is to protect its citizens from the depredations or injustices of other governments or peoples. Italy has proven to me (someone with 3 decades of dealing with criminal appeals and due process and probable cause) that its handling of this case was grossly incompetent to the point that the interest in our government protecting one of its citizens trumps the desire of an incompetent and corrupt tribunal to continue to perpetrate a fraud in the name of justice



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    If America wants to scrap it's extradition treaty with European countries that's fine with me, in fact it won't make much difference because we hardly ever have extradition granted any way and that includes those who have carried out acts of terrorism in the UK, whilst allow Americans to just extradite who ever they want and even use our country for extraordinary rendition.

    The Italians are also getting tired of a one way US extradition treaty, this being the latest in a long line of cases such as the 1998 "Massacre of Cermis.", when American military jet clipped a ski lift cable, sending a gondola of 20 passengers to their deaths in the Italian Dolomite Mountains.

    Italian prosecutors wanted the crew of the jet tried in Italy, but an Italian court ruled they should face courts-martial in the U.S., in accordance with NATO treaties. The aircraft's pilot and navigator were found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter, even though the military admitted the plane had been flying lower and faster than authorized.

    When it emerged that a video that captured the accident from inside the plane had been destroyed, they were dismissed from the Marine Corps. Italians were outraged, referring to the incident as the "massacre of Cermis."

    In another incident that raised tensions, Egyptian cleric Abu Omar was seized off the streets of Milan in 2003 and smuggled to Egypt, where he says he was tortured and released four years later.

    Although Italy did not request the extradition of any of the suspects, 22 CIA agents were convicted in absentia of the kidnapping and sentenced to prison time for their role in the abduction, but none ever served time in Italy.

    Furthermore if Knox is not extradited for Murder, the Italians may review it's extradition treaty with the US, and guess what the Italian Mafia have close links to organised crime groups in the US, so that's good news for organised crime in the US.

    Finally not returning a convicted murderer makes a mockery of attempts to extradite the likes of Edward Snowden or Julian Assange, and other countries including Russia will look at this case when determining extradition cases, it may even become a judicial precedent.
    I don't think you're being entirely fair -- the US extradites both Britons and Americans to the UK all the time. There have been some high-profile cases, particularly to do with the IRA, that have aroused the ire of the UK about the UK-US extradition treaty, but if you read it, I think you'll agree it's pretty fair.

    I agree with you that the US refusing to extradite some IRA members due to a very loose interpretation of what 'political refugee' means is pretty unstomachable. Equally, though, Britain flatly refuses to extradite murderers to the US unless the US promises not to go for the death penalty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the bold part distinguishes this

    2) I am an American. One of the purposes of government is to protect its citizens from the depredations or injustices of other governments or peoples. Italy has proven to me (someone with 3 decades of dealing with criminal appeals and due process and probable cause) that its handling of this case was grossly incompetent to the point that the interest in our government protecting one of its citizens trumps the desire of an incompetent and corrupt tribunal to continue to perpetrate a fraud in the name of justice
    I agree. The trial was a complete circus, and I still haven't heard of any kind of valid evidence to prove that Amanda Knox had anything to do with the murder. I think it was the guy she took home from the bar (whatever his name was) who murdered her, and I think that Amanda and her boyfriend were probably doing their own thing at the time of the murder.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the bold part distinguishes this

    2) I am an American. One of the purposes of government is to protect its citizens from the depredations or injustices of other governments or peoples. Italy has proven to me (someone with 3 decades of dealing with criminal appeals and due process and probable cause) that its handling of this case was grossly incompetent to the point that the interest in our government protecting one of its citizens trumps the desire of an incompetent and corrupt tribunal to continue to perpetrate a fraud in the name of justice
    Weren't you annoyed when France refused to extradite Roman Polanski for crimes committed in the US?

    Why the double standard?

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Weren't you annoyed when France refused to extradite Roman Polanski for crimes committed in the US?

    Why the double standard?
    The Polanski thing is just a high-profile example that sometimes countries do not always honor these treaties, for whatever reason is important to them. This is not uncommon, and it happens in both directions. It is NOT solely an American, or French, or anybody else thing. And the treaties still stand and all countries that participate still extradite far more often than they don't.

    Those who are claiming a potential breakdown of the whole treaty system are simply being naive.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Weren't you annoyed when France refused to extradite Roman Polanski for crimes committed in the US?

    Why the double standard?
    Not really but he is an American citizen demanded to be returned to his country. He also violated the rights of another American citizen. If Amanda Knox was an Italian, it would be different since an Italian citizen's legal rights are not as important to America as the rights of an American citizens



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