View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

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  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

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  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In America you only get one shot to prove someone is guilty and if that conviction is overturned then too bad you do not get another shot to prove that person is guilty of that crime.Our country should aid other countries in jailing our citizens for things that are not a crime and or unconstitutional over in the US. I would like to see the option no she should be extradited because that would be a violation of her 5th amendment rights.




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    Not true. The federal government can declare it is prosecuting the exact same offense if the call it a criminal violation of civil rights.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    except that the US must have had a good reason to have an extradition treaty with Italy (possibly mob related).
    Quite, but you cannot pick and choose when to apply the treaty and when not. It's a bit of an always or never situation.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    If America wants to scrap it's extradition treaty with European countries that's fine with me, in fact it won't make much difference because we hardly ever have extradition granted any way and that includes those who have carried out acts of terrorism in the UK, whilst allow Americans to just extradite who ever they want and even use our country for extraordinary rendition.

    The Italians are also getting tired of a one way US extradition treaty, this being the latest in a long line of cases such as the 1998 "Massacre of Cermis.", when American military jet clipped a ski lift cable, sending a gondola of 20 passengers to their deaths in the Italian Dolomite Mountains.

    Italian prosecutors wanted the crew of the jet tried in Italy, but an Italian court ruled they should face courts-martial in the U.S., in accordance with NATO treaties. The aircraft's pilot and navigator were found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter, even though the military admitted the plane had been flying lower and faster than authorized.

    When it emerged that a video that captured the accident from inside the plane had been destroyed, they were dismissed from the Marine Corps. Italians were outraged, referring to the incident as the "massacre of Cermis."

    In another incident that raised tensions, Egyptian cleric Abu Omar was seized off the streets of Milan in 2003 and smuggled to Egypt, where he says he was tortured and released four years later.

    Although Italy did not request the extradition of any of the suspects, 22 CIA agents were convicted in absentia of the kidnapping and sentenced to prison time for their role in the abduction, but none ever served time in Italy.

    Furthermore if Knox is not extradited for Murder, the Italians may review it's extradition treaty with the US, and guess what the Italian Mafia have close links to organised crime groups in the US, so that's good news for organised crime in the US.

    Finally not returning a convicted murderer makes a mockery of attempts to extradite the likes of Edward Snowden or Julian Assange, and other countries including Russia will look at this case when determining extradition cases, it may even become a judicial precedent.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Not one IRA Terrorist was ever extradited back to the UK from the US

    Cowards colluding with terrorists » The Spectator

    One law for the Americans » The Spectator

    No surprise when USA lets Britain down again | Express Comment | Comment | Daily Express

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    A Federal judge in Manhattan yesterday refused to extradite a member of the Irish Republican Army convicted of the murder of a British soldier, ruling that the slaying was a political act.

    U.S. JUDGE REJECTS BID FOR EXTRADITION OF I.R.A. MURDERER - NYTimes.com
    So it's a legitimate political act for a terrorist to kill a British soldier according to US Law, and yet come 9/11 we have a treaty that allows the US to take people at will in relation to terrorism. What if we had deemed 9/11 a Political Act due to American Foreign Policy???

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Just a point on this thread. Courts find people guilty or not-guilty. The issue of being innocent is not the question. The question in a criminal case is not about what is but of what can be proved. That is why people who are tried for crimes that seem like they are slam dunks (OJ as mentioned here) get set free. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a tough burden, especially when what is reasonable is left to the 12 people sitting in judgement.

    In this case Knox will likely not be sent back to Italy but she will be arrested probably anywhere in the EU if she travels there. I wonder what people will say if she ever does fall into the hands of the Italians.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Nor should it happen.

    **** Europe!
    Grow up boy!

    Did you ever think about what this would mean?

    Sine police and justice cooperation started to intensivy in Europe during the last 20 years it helped crack down on crime very substancialy.

    In a globalised world crime is globalised aswell, and the effort against crime should be global.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not true. The federal government can declare it is prosecuting the exact same offense if the call it a criminal violation of civil rights.
    Which is nothing more than blatant violation of the 5th amendment.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    I believe that the second trial violates our concept of double-jeopardy, so we should extradite her for that reason. She's our citizen presently within our jurisdiction. Other countries who disagree with the death penalty refuse to extradite to us because we do have the death penalty (where applicable), and this scenario fits within that principle and mindset.

    Now, if she chooses to ever go to Italy on her own, or anywhere where she might be extradited, then we should feel no obligation to try and rescue her.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I believe that the second trial violates our concept of double-jeopardy, so we should extradite her for that reason. She's our citizen presently within our jurisdiction. Other countries who disagree with the death penalty refuse to extradite to us because we do have the death penalty (where applicable), and this scenario fits within that principle and mindset.

    Now, if she chooses to ever go to Italy on her own, or anywhere where she might be extradited, then we should feel no obligation to try and rescue her.
    The difference being that people convicted of murder are usually extradited to the US to serve prison sentences, they just can not be executed and that applies to most countries who don't have the death penalty and not just Europe. The difference here being that Amanda Knox will be totally free despite being wanted for Murder in a West European country and ally of the US.

    The Italians are usually quite good to Americans, and the US Naval Support Facility which supports US Naval Operations including the United States Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean and Middle East is in Italy. As is the US Naval Air Station Sigonella, the USAF Aviano Air Base, which was expanded despite fierce protests from some Italians and the US also has army bases at Caserma Ederle, near Vicenza (northern Italy, in the Veneto region — HQ of the US Southern European Task Force and of the US 173d Airborne Brigade) snd at Camp Darby. Located in the Province of Pisa, half way between Pisa and Livorno, it is allegedly the largest US base outside of US territory. A 1951 US-Italian agreement conceded to the Pentagon the transformation of thousands of acres of Tuscan woods in a secret military base. Camp Darby is named in honour of William O. Darby, founder of the US 1st Ranger Battalion, who died on the battlefield in Italy in 1945
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    The difference being that people convicted of murder are usually extradited to the US to serve prison sentences, they just can not be executed and that applies to most countries who don't have the death penalty and not just Europe. The difference here being that Amanda Knox will be totally free despite being wanted for Murder in a West European country and ally of the US.

    The Italians are usually quite good to Americans, and the US Naval Support Facility which supports US Naval Operations in
    ...wanted for murder... in a second trial... which goes against our concept of double-jeopardy.

    While I don't have examples to cite off the top of my head... nor am I inclined to go look... I'd bet that there have been many instances in history where we have refused to extradite regardless what the other country did or said. Hence, her now being wanted for murder in Italy is not automatically of primary relevance.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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