View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In the US the case would have ended with the appeals court acquittal.
    it never would have got past a grand jury in most states



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it never would have got past a grand jury in most states
    I'll take your word for it.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll take your word for it.
    when it comes to such issues, that is the sign of true wisdom



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the first poll option is false. The extradition treaty has a clause for double-jeopardy.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the first poll option is false. The extradition treaty has a clause for double-jeopardy.
    I have mentioned DJ as the likely objection but I haven't seen the treaty text. Would you mind posting the relevant passage?
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have mentioned DJ as the likely objection but I haven't seen the treaty text. Would you mind posting the relevant passage?
    I believe it has something to do with the treaty not being allowed to violate our Constitution, but my brief search only turned up references to the Constitution.

    I could be wrong.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the first poll option is false. The extradition treaty has a clause for double-jeopardy.
    No, it hasn't.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In the US the case would have ended with the appeals court acquittal.
    It depends where. The West Memphis 3 case was another bogus trial and conviction based on prejudices and first impressions more than evidence.
    Last edited by Ben K.; 02-19-14 at 04:55 AM.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Just for balance's sake, here's a link to the Hellmann-Zanetti report which explains why the guilty verdict by the lower court was overturned.

    Contents | The Hellmann-Zanetti Report

    If you want to be taken seriously in this thread you need to link to both and refrain from linking to highly biased websites. The entire case needs to be completely re-examined. Anyone with any shred of a sense of justice and who actually paid attention to the entire process, not just the initial trial, can't possibly come to any kind of conclusion about the guilt of these two people. It's utterly impossible to argue their guilt with any degree of certainty after reading extensively on the case.

    I've read almost everything I could get my hands on with the exception of Meredith's father's book. If I were to recommend just one book on the case, John Follain's book "A Death in Italy" is one of the least biased reports on the case. It's required reading along with the Massei and the Hellmann reports.
    And this bears repeating since there's a continual insistence that it was a "normal witness interview", Hellmann found that:

    The obsessive length of the interrogations, carried out during [both] day and night, by more than one person, on a young and foreign girl who at the time did not speak Italian at all well, was unaware of her own rights, did not have the assistance of an attorney (which she should have been entitled to, being at this point suspected of very serious crimes), and was moreover being assisted by an interpreter who — as shown by Ms. Bongiorno — did not limit herself to translating, but induced her to force herself to remember, explaining that she [Amanda] was confused in her memories, perhaps because of the trauma she experienced, makes it wholly understandable that she was in a situation of considerable psychological pressure (to call it stress seems an understatement [appare riduttivo]), enough to raise doubts about the actual spontaneity of her statements; a spontaneity which would have strangely [singolarmente] arisen in the middle of the night, after hours and hours of interrogation: the so-called spontaneous statements were made at 1:45 am (middle of the night) on 11-6-2007 (the day after the interrogation had started) and again at 5:45 am afterward, and the note was written a few hours later.

    In order to show that, in the days following the killing of Meredith, Amanda Knox was not at all disturbed at the police station, the testimony [deposizioni] of some police officials and other young women who had been summoned there was recalled: Amanda and Raffaele, they said, were displaying affection [si scambiavano delle effusioni], and Amanda had even engaged in a few gymnastic maneuvers while waiting.

    In reality, however — beside the fact that the affectionate displays, simple tenderness of two lovers, could have been a way of finding comfort in the situation, and beside the fact that gymnastic exercises could also themselves be a way of relieving [esorcizzare, lit. "exorcising"] what was certainly an anxious and frightening environment for all involved — apart from all these considerations, it must be observed that this testimony refers to the beginning of the time at the police station and not late at night (1:45 am and 5:45 am) when the so-called “spontaneous” statements were made. Which, contrary to the prosecution’s assumption, serves [only] to demonstrate that Amanda Knox, who at the beginning had no reason to be afraid, went into a state of oppression and stress precisely as a result of her interrogation and the way it was conducted.
    Calumny | The Hellmann-Zanetti Report

    Whatever the case with it not technically being DJ, I personally don't accept the logic that a higher court can come to a different conclusion on the case and a conviction going ahead on the basis of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Whatever it legally is, it seems highly illogical to me.

    I thought she was guilty from the outset, primarily based on the media reporting incorrect details. It took an ass-kicking on this web site to change my mind.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    And this bears repeating since there's a continual insistence that it was a "normal witness interview", Hellmann found that:



    Calumny | The Hellmann-Zanetti Report

    Whatever the case with it not technically being DJ, I personally don't accept the logic that a higher court can come to a different conclusion on the case and a conviction going ahead on the basis of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Whatever it legally is, it seems highly illogical to me.

    I thought she was guilty from the outset, primarily based on the media reporting incorrect details. It took an ass-kicking on this web site to change my mind.
    Yeah, to this very day, 6 years and 2 official documents, dozens of books, hundreds of articles later, I still read posts on this forum regurgitating so much old, faulty information on the case it makes me wonder what kind of research these people actually did. One of two things that is absolutely certain in this case is that Rudy Guede was there that night. His DNA and prints are everywhere, including on and inside Meredith's body. That is the ONLY actual, irrefutable fact. Everything else is speculation, circumstantial evidence, relentless character assassination, highly questionable interrogation procedures and very dodgy forensics.

    I'm the first to condemn Amanda for implicating Lumumba. I understand she was confused, exhausted (people should remember she was questioned at all hours of the day and night for a total of close to 50 hours in the span of 4-5 days) and struggling to communicate in a language she was not fluent in, but there is no excuse for accusing an inncocent person. That is the only other irrefutable fact in this case and the only thing that she can be reasonably be punished for.
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