View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

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  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

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  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

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  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    Here's the Full Massei Report and Summary in English, you can go and look at it and decide for yourself.

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    It's also interesting to note Professor David Balding, a world renowned DNA Expert at University College London (UCL) and author of the book 'Weight-of-Evidence for Forensic DNA Profiles' suggested that there was significant DNA on the Bra Strap in an Independent Review of the Evidence on behalf of the Italian Authorities and dismissed cross contamination as highly unlikely in last night BBC 4's 'Is Amanda Knox Guilty??'
    In the end, after reading the transcript in English (thanks Chatter), I now have a very good understanding of why the 2 professional judges and 4 lay judges came to the verdict which they did, which is covered in pages 357 to 397. These are just some of the things that the court established as fact in their ruling.

    The court did find that Meredith's blood was in Filomena Romanelli's room, where the burglary was staged, and it was mixed with Amanda's DNA. Meredith's blood should never have been there.

    The crime scene had been cleaned, though not everywhere.

    Meredith did not know Rudy, one of her killers. She would have no reason to let him in the apartment. Amanda did know Rudy.

    Amanda's behavior immediately after the murder was discovered as unusual. While at the police station with all of Meredith's friends and their boyfriends, she was cutting up, playing, laughing, kissing, and joking with her boyfriend Rafaele, while the others were solemn. At one point, they testified, she even said, "Meredith's in a wardrobe with a blanket over her head."

    She repeatedly lied or changed her story.

    They said she was at no time under undue coercion to say some of the things she came to say, such as naming her boss as the possible murderer when hearing her boyfriend had changed his story.

    Meredith never locked her door, the room mate Filomena Romanelli reported. The killer would have no reason to lock it. I am not sure if they were trying to assert that Amanda was the only one to have a room key since Meredith's was still in the room.

    Amanda's footprints were found in the apartment after cleaning which I believe they were trying to say had traces of Meredith's blood on them, or that they showed up under luminol. Not sure what they meant on that one.

    The ashtray contained one cigarette smoked that evening, with Amanda's DNA on it.

    Raffaele's DNA was on the bra clasp of the murder victim.

    Amanda and her boyfriend Rafaele were at the plaza to the University before the murder. Rudy Guede was often there.

    Amanda bought bleach early the next morning, the receipts for which were in her possession, though telling police she had slept at her boyfriend Rafaele's house until 10 am the morning after the murder.

    The 2 cell phones of the murder victim were found disposed in a wooded area down the street. There was no reason to take just the phones, the judges hypothesized, except to prevent any unanswered calls from being heard in the apartment downstairs where the murder victim Meredith Kersher's boyfriend lived, making him thus curious.

    Nothing was taken in the room that was supposedly burglarized, that of Filomena Romanelli. Rudy Guede was seen later that night, after the time of the murder at a nightclub. Who then did they ask would have the time and inclination to stage the burglary without suspicion of being there and clean up. Also, why clean up everywhere but the room of the murder scene for that matter?

    Amanda did not stay the night as she said at her boyfriend Rafaele.

    Amanda and her boyfriend Rafaele stood across the room and in the hallway, seemingly uninterested in what was about to take place as the other roommate, Meredith's friends, and the postal police readied to break down her door.

    The postal police upon the door breaking down immediately told everyone to get out of the house (no one went in to contaminate as many have proposed).

    Amanda admitted to watching movies and reading comics about sex with a violent nature the night before with her boyfriend.

    The timestamp for Amanda's first meeting with the police after the murder was 125am. She had gone to the station with all the people that had initially been at the scene earlier. She went in at almost 11pm. Thus, her statement was finished much earlier than 125am. It is hard to see this as "sweating" her for a confession.

    Amanda put herself at the scene of the crime when she stated her boss Patrick Lumumba had done it. She reaffirmed this outside of police custody with her lawyer present on several occasions within days of the event.

    Meredith was a strong girl, and had trained in the martial arts. The court established as fact that it was more than one assailant that killed her. The knife wounds were of different sizes and showed different degrees of strength in their strikes.

    There is a lot more that they concluded, but these are the items that caught my attention because I had read so much in her defense that said that none of this was true. The two judges in this case and the 4 lay judges are educated professionals in their fields. I do not wish to be one that will paint them as primitives, when as we all know, we send countless numbers of people to the penitentiary every year in the United States for a lot less than the evidence they concluded as being fact in their transcript.

    It is sad that this happened. But what I am more concerned about is finding justice for Meredith Kersher, not defending someone who with this evidence presented, I am content to believe, as did this court, that she is guilty of murder...and one that was most heinous in nature.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    No bleach receipts were presented in court. I mean, obviously it would be a slam dunk if that were the case.
    Amanda did not know Rudy Guede, they were in the same room together once but did not talk.
    There is no reason for the room to be locked no matter which version you believe so I'm not sure what to make of that.
    Luminol is not specific for blood.
    A cigarette smoked by a person who lived in the house is not unusual.
    Amanda stating that Meredith was in the closet with a blanket over her head does not match how Meredith was found - it's more than likely Chinese whispers repeated by Amanda.
    Even one of the prosecutions forensic experts said only one killer was necessary.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think it would be naive to claim that The Guardian had a clear editorial policy on the matter having never published an editorial on the matter and having published just 2 opinion articles (Nick Richardson's on Jan 30 - clearly seeing room for innocence and guilt; and Andrew Gumbel's on Jan 31 - pro-innocence). The longest piece they have published on the subject is Simon Hattenstone's Feb 8 interview with Knox. It's a sizeable piece of work, is not unsympathetic to Knox, but certainly doesn't pretend to exonerate her. I really don't see where you're getting this idea from. Your Google search mainly linked to The Guardian's news reports.
    I guess I'm a bit more sensitive towards editorial bias than others. I'm not aware of a Guardian editorial where they have said a miscarriage of justice was taking place in an ongoing murder case in a Western country. Seems a major risk if new evidence appeared disproving their opinion. Easy for a tabloid to get away with, but not so much a broadsheet.

    I shouldn't have stated it as a fact, but it is my opinion based on what editorials they have published and who they chose to interview.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Unlikely. He returned from a country with no extradition treaty with Italy for the retrial. His passport has now been taken.
    If he can get to the nearby Balkans with just a little money he'll have his choice of passports.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    And another convicted murderer escapes justice if they can afford it.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    And another convicted murderer escapes justice if they can afford it.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That may be the way she succeeds in avoiding extradition, but it would be a violation by the letter and the spirit of the treaty. A number of different US courts may well decide that that is a violation worth making, but there may be consequences in the long run.
    Yes, the Europeans may hate us even more than they already do. Whatever will we do if that happens? Frankly, any American that goes to one of these Kangaroo Court countries in the future probably deserves what they get.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, the Europeans may hate us even more than they already do. Whatever will we do if that happens? Frankly, any American that goes to one of these Kangaroo Court countries in the future probably deserves what they get.
    Well, I guess that Europeans will smart at the idea that their courts are all of the kangaroo variety, until they remember that they are not the only countries who regularly experience miscarriages of justice.

    List of miscarriage of justice cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course, the Knox case could never have happened back home...
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, I guess that Europeans will smart at the idea that their courts are all of the kangaroo variety, until they remember that they are not the only countries who regularly experience miscarriages of justice.

    List of miscarriage of justice cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course, the Knox case could never have happened back home...
    In the US the case would have ended with the appeals court acquittal.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Well, that might happen in Europe too. Unlike us, however, they would just keep holding trials until they got a conviction. Apparently double jeopardy is only available here.
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