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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

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  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

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  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know why would agree to extradite prisoners to another country that's justice system is sub par.
    We should only ever agree to extradite people to another country if their judicial system is equal to and in agreement with our own IMO.
    I don't think she got a fair trial, and I think the murder investigation itself was fraught with human error and contamination of evidence (what LITTLE circumstantial evidence they actually had), they had next to NO physical evidence as far as I've seen so far. The way they went about interrogating her I also have an issue with. Did she have an opportunity to have a lawyer present? There are a lot of issues with this case and with extraditing prisoners in general.



    If the USA doesn't extradite people to countries with which it has extradition treaties it can't expect those countries to extradite people to the USA.

    IOW: the USA should do unto other countries the same way that it would like those countries to do to the USA.

    If the USA doesn't send this lady to Italy, you can't blame Italy if it treats the USA the same way.

    "What goes around, comes around.", "You reap what you sow" and etc.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Glad you linked that (link worked earlier and not any more). I encourage everyone to read that even though it will take a few hours. It really is an exercise in trying to get a hypothetical, desired scenario to prevail over physical evidence. Countless forensic pathologists contradict/cast that doubt more than one knife was used and that the knife matched Solletico's dimensions. The doubt placed on the physical evidence is repeatedly ignored to fit the scenario.

    As for PC evidence (the police wrecked his other one):






    So they finished Amelie after 9.00pm (we all know how stone cold killers/sexual deviants love Amelie and just put them in the mood for killing), they grab Solletico's huge kitchen knife, head over to Knox's, kill her with Guede, Clean up, Solletico returns home by midnight to use his computer but not to browse the web on how to clean up a crime scene
    The Italian Communications Police (page 4 of the Summary below) had already examined the computer and found evidence that the film and computer had not been used on the night in question during the hours it was claimed and was not accessed until 5.32am. Whilst in terms of DNA there was some DNA left despite the fact there was an overpowering smell of bleach and Knox had been seen that morning by a shopkeeper at his shop near the cottage, during a time when she claimed to have been in bed at her boyfriends, this was after claiming earlier that she was at the cottage and then changing her mind.

    A summary of the report can be found here -

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...Version1_5.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Massei Report Summary (Page 4)

    The last human activities on Sollecito's computer were at 9:10pm. Analysis of the hard drive by the Communications Police concluded that there was no further human interaction with the computer until 5:32am the following morning.A defence expert noted a very brief (4 seconds) access to Apple iTunes at 00:58am: the court accepted that this could have been a human interaction with the computer, but that it was after the time when the murder was believed to have taken place.
    Last edited by Chatter; 02-16-14 at 07:55 AM.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    The Italian Communications Police (page 4 of the Summary below) had already examined the computer and found evidence that the film and computer had not been used on the night in question during the hours it was claimed and was not accessed until 5.32am. Whilst in terms of DNA there was some DNA left despite the fact there was an overpowering smell of bleach and Knox had been seen that morning by a shopkeeper at his shop near the cottage, during a time when she claimed to have been in bed at her boyfriends, this was after claiming earlier that she was at the cottage and then changing her mind.

    A summary of the report can be found here -

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...Version1_5.pdf
    I quoted from the massei report. The conputer was accessed at 1am. The prosecution are unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it wasnt used between 9 and 1.

    Regardless, no food was found in Merediths duodenum (her last meal was at 6) indicating she was killed at around 9.

    The shopkeeper originally stated he had not seen Knox that day. A year later he said he had.

    Again, the DNA evidence is weak as it does not exist in the bedroom aside from the contaminated bra strap.

    The prosecutions reasoning that Amanda carried a large kitchen nice for defence is laughable. The dimensions of the knife used that night are in heavy doubt anyway (see the Massei Report).

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    Knox was not badly treated by Italian Authorities and was not questioned for any unreasonable length of time.




    Knox was not questioned for "hours". She had turned up with Sollecito at the police station, not as a suspect, but as a witness, (she said she had come because she "did not want to be alone"). Witnesses don't call for lawyers, nor is there any legal duty to supply her with one.

    From approximately 11.30pm to 1.30 am, (two hours), she was questioned as a WITNESS.

    When Sollecito withdrew his alibi, (that Knox had been with him all of the night of the murder), the police told Knox, who panicked and suddenly blamed Diya Lumumba. Prior to her naming him, Mr Lumumba was not on the police radar. More importantly, while implicating Mr Lumumba in her "evidence", Knox also put herself at the scene of the crime. However by blaming Diya Lumumba she sucessfully moved the focus of the police investigation away from her and her boyfriend.

    Her statement was typed in both English and Italian and Knox signed it. Now that she was a suspect, (out of her own mouth), the police asked her is she wanted a lawyer and Knox declined.

    Far from keeping quiet, as any sensible suspect should, Knox then asked for a pen and paper and in her own words, "spontaneously" confirmed in writing that Mr Lumumba was Meredith's killer, while Knox cowered in the bathroom, covering her ears to block out Meredith's screams.

    Knox accounted for her change of story, on the grounds that it was because of the persistence of the questioning which had made her imagine what could have happened. In this earlier account, she had described returning home to Via della Pergola, in the company of Patrick Lumumba, on the evening of November 1, 2007, after 9pm. She had described many things which she now realized she had imagined, including Meredith having had sex and being killed, while Knox held her own ears closed so as not to hear Meredith’s screams.

    Most of the supporters of Knox usually use supporting arguments built around Knox's own uncorroborated, or even self-conflicting, evidence - for instance, that she had been "interrogated for hours". In so doing, they assist Knox is perpetuating her lies so often that they begin to believe them.
    You do not question a witness until 1.30am, starting at 11.30 after leabing her eaiting for hours. If you are questioning a witness you do not lie about what others said, and you certainly don't say they have physical evidence that she was there when they certainly didn't at the time.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    When trying to gauge a media outlets bias, you look at the number of sympathetic articles. The comments section of Guardian articles are rife with accusations of bias, ridiculous claims.being paid off by the "Knox media machine", etc. Obviously the editor themselves is not going to claim she is innocent, but if you understand how the news media works...
    https://www.google.com/search?as_sit...an.com&start=0
    Having a couple of decades of experience of working in the media has given me a bit of an insight into how things work, and how to be able to distinguish between opinions expressed in a newspaper, and the editorial position of that newspaper.

    "When trying to gauge a media outlets (sic) bias..." is not what you were doing in your previous post. You were quite specific. You said: "the current editorial position of the Guardian is that she is innocent". I merely pointed out that there's no evidence to back up the claim that The Guardian's editorial position is that she is innocent. I don't believe that is The Guardian's editorial position at all.

    As far as, "Obviously the editor themselves is not going to claim she is innocent", why the hell not? The newspaper has taken positions on countless court cases in the past, and will do so in the future, I've no doubt. Why would they be loath to comment on this particular case?
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Having a couple of decades of experience of working in the media has given me a bit of an insight into how things work, and how to be able to distinguish between opinions expressed in a newspaper, and the editorial position of that newspaper.

    "When trying to gauge a media outlets (sic) bias..." is not what you were doing in your previous post. You were quite specific. You said: "the current editorial position of the Guardian is that she is innocent". I merely pointed out that there's no evidence to back up the claim that The Guardian's editorial position is that she is innocent. I don't believe that is The Guardian's editorial position at all.

    As far as, "Obviously the editor themselves is not going to claim she is innocent", why the hell not? The newspaper has taken positions on countless court cases in the past, and will do so in the future, I've no doubt. Why would they be loath to comment on this particular case?
    You must be fairly naive then.

    If you publish opinion pieces predominantly sympathetic to the accused and a sympathetic interview, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the papers sympathy.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    You must be fairly naive then.

    If you publish opinion pieces predominantly sympathetic to the accused and a sympathetic interview, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the papers sympathy.
    I think it would be naive to claim that The Guardian had a clear editorial policy on the matter having never published an editorial on the matter and having published just 2 opinion articles (Nick Richardson's on Jan 30 - clearly seeing room for innocence and guilt; and Andrew Gumbel's on Jan 31 - pro-innocence). The longest piece they have published on the subject is Simon Hattenstone's Feb 8 interview with Knox. It's a sizeable piece of work, is not unsympathetic to Knox, but certainly doesn't pretend to exonerate her. I really don't see where you're getting this idea from. Your Google search mainly linked to The Guardian's news reports.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the USA doesn't extradite people to countries with which it has extradition treaties it can't expect those countries to extradite people to the USA.

    IOW: the USA should do unto other countries the same way that it would like those countries to do to the USA.

    If the USA doesn't send this lady to Italy, you can't blame Italy if it treats the USA the same way.

    "What goes around, comes around.", "You reap what you sow" and etc.
    There are plenty of instances where other countries have refused to extradite prisoners to the United States. Besides, it was a kangaroo court and a ridiculous circus of a trial. I have yet see any evidence besides circumstantial and suspicions. We probably shouldn't have such deals with countries who's justice systems don't align with our own.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the USA doesn't extradite people to countries with which it has extradition treaties it can't expect those countries to extradite people to the USA.

    IOW: the USA should do unto other countries the same way that it would like those countries to do to the USA.

    If the USA doesn't send this lady to Italy, you can't blame Italy if it treats the USA the same way.

    "What goes around, comes around.", "You reap what you sow" and etc.
    The Euros already refuse to extradite to the US for death penalty cases because they don't have the death penalty. In the US we don't permit double jeopardy, a principle the Italians seem to have violated. Your reciprocity argument actually works against extradition in this case.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Euros already refuse to extradite to the US for death penalty cases because they don't have the death penalty.
    That is enshrined in the extradition treaty.

    In the US we don't permit double jeopardy, a principle the Italians seem to have violated. Your reciprocity argument actually works against extradition in this case.
    Appeals, mistrials and retrials are commonplace in all jurisdictions, including the US. They do not necessarily imply double jeopardy. This is clearly not a case of DJ, and I don't believe anyone on the Knox team are claiming that it is. Also, double jeopardy is not mentioned in the US-Italy extradition treaty, unlike the death penalty.
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