View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Your servant, madam.

    And the clarification I requested?
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    I have, admittedly, strayed from the thread topic.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    "Don't we all have enough enemies at home without looking beyond our shores to invent some?"
    Acquiring enemies along the way in life is a bit of an inevitability. We can all unintentionally confront something in someone that is rooted in sentimentality as opposed to reason and their lack of a sound defense results in your classification as an enemy. Sometimes we play a larger role in the acquisition of those enemies. Sometimes we knowingly confront or offend, demean or judge thereby accumulating a longer list enemies then had we chosen to tolerate and accept, understand and withhold judgment.

    I have, admittedly, strayed from the thread topic.
    This is about the feminazi stuff, isn't it?

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Anything - anything - printed in that anti-American fish wrap known as the Guardian is automatically discounted by anybody who knows anything about the political leanings of that rag.
    Actually, the current editorial position of the Guardian is that she is innocent. Its really only the mail, mirror and its ilk that hold a guilty view.They have a very good interview with her on the site.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Anything - anything - printed in that anti-American fish wrap known as the Guardian is automatically discounted by anybody who knows anything about the political leanings of that rag.
    It's a review of John Follain who writes for the Sunday Times Book and not the Guardian. Follain sat through the entire trial and has been through all 10,000 pages of evidence.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Knox was not badly treated by Italian Authorities and was not questioned for any unreasonable length of time.



    Many in the US are now seemingly convinced that Knox was coerced by police into false statements, and that the Italian court processes have been a travesty of justice. Yet there seems very little in the way of hard evidence that bears this out.

    This much appears undisputed: that Knox – roughly an hour into her questioning – admitted being in the house when Meredith died, and accused her Congolese boss at the bar where she worked, Patrick Lumumba, of killing Meredith. She alleged he was alone with Meredith as she was sitting in the kitchen and heard a single scream.

    Much later that evening, she produced a long, garbled note that appeared to be expanding her options, albeit contradictory ones. She said she was “confused” but that she stood by “events that could have taken place in my home with Patrik [sic]” although they now seemed “more unreal to me than what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele’s house”. She said that “everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith’s death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think.” The latter part of that sentence – “the best truth that I have been able to think” – bears consideration.

    Numerous Italian witnesses, from a large number of police staff to Knox’s interpreter, testified that Knox was properly treated during her questioning. Mr Lumumba was arrested and held for two weeks, before a customer at the bar provided a definitive alibi and he was released.

    We must, of course, bear in mind that Knox was relatively immature and no doubt intimidated by the situation. But the prosecution case is not one to be lightly dismissed: as the Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz put it, the factors that led to Knox’s initial conviction included an admission that she was at the crime scene, her false accusation of an innocent man, an inconsistent alibi and evidence of her DNA on the alleged murder weapon. Those things would not be dismissed as negligible, either in the UK or the US.

    Read more: How The UK Sees Amanda Knox - Business Insider
    Knox was not questioned for "hours". She had turned up with Sollecito at the police station, not as a suspect, but as a witness, (she said she had come because she "did not want to be alone"). Witnesses don't call for lawyers, nor is there any legal duty to supply her with one.

    From approximately 11.30pm to 1.30 am, (two hours), she was questioned as a WITNESS.

    When Sollecito withdrew his alibi, (that Knox had been with him all of the night of the murder), the police told Knox, who panicked and suddenly blamed Diya Lumumba. Prior to her naming him, Mr Lumumba was not on the police radar. More importantly, while implicating Mr Lumumba in her "evidence", Knox also put herself at the scene of the crime. However by blaming Diya Lumumba she sucessfully moved the focus of the police investigation away from her and her boyfriend.

    Her statement was typed in both English and Italian and Knox signed it. Now that she was a suspect, (out of her own mouth), the police asked her is she wanted a lawyer and Knox declined.

    Far from keeping quiet, as any sensible suspect should, Knox then asked for a pen and paper and in her own words, "spontaneously" confirmed in writing that Mr Lumumba was Meredith's killer, while Knox cowered in the bathroom, covering her ears to block out Meredith's screams.

    Knox accounted for her change of story, on the grounds that it was because of the persistence of the questioning which had made her imagine what could have happened. In this earlier account, she had described returning home to Via della Pergola, in the company of Patrick Lumumba, on the evening of November 1, 2007, after 9pm. She had described many things which she now realized she had imagined, including Meredith having had sex and being killed, while Knox held her own ears closed so as not to hear Meredith’s screams.

    Most of the supporters of Knox usually use supporting arguments built around Knox's own uncorroborated, or even self-conflicting, evidence - for instance, that she had been "interrogated for hours". In so doing, they assist Knox is perpetuating her lies so often that they begin to believe them.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    In terms of the computer forensics, they were analysed by specialists from the Italian Postal Police which is noted on pages 304-306 of the Massei Report.

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...sseiReport.pdf

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...Version1_5.pdf

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Actually, the current editorial position of the Guardian is that she is innocent. Its really only the mail, mirror and its ilk that hold a guilty view.They have a very good interview with her on the site.
    Thanks for the info, Ben. I will check it out. The Mirror - I'm not sure my stomach can take that.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Actually, the current editorial position of the Guardian is that she is innocent. Its really only the mail, mirror and its ilk that hold a guilty view.
    Would you like to back that up by linking to the latest Guardian editorial that claims she's innocent? I just went through all the editorials back to the beginning of the year, and there's nothing to back up your claim. I don't believe the Guardian has taken a position on her guilt or innocence.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Would you like to back that up by linking to the latest Guardian editorial that claims she's innocent? I just went through all the editorials back to the beginning of the year, and there's nothing to back up your claim. I don't believe the Guardian has taken a position on her guilt or innocence.
    When trying to gauge a media outlets bias, you look at the number of sympathetic articles. The comments section of Guardian articles are rife with accusations of bias, ridiculous claims.being paid off by the "Knox media machine", etc. Obviously the editor themselves is not going to claim she is innocent, but if you understand how the news media works...
    https://www.google.com/search?as_sit...an.com&start=0

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    In terms of the computer forensics, they were analysed by specialists from the Italian Postal Police which is noted on pages 304-306 of the Massei Report.

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...sseiReport.pdf

    http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/...Version1_5.pdf
    Glad you linked that (link worked earlier and not any more). I encourage everyone to read that even though it will take a few hours. It really is an exercise in trying to get a hypothetical, desired scenario to prevail over physical evidence. Countless forensic pathologists contradict/cast that doubt more than one knife was used and that the knife matched Solletico's dimensions. The doubt placed on the physical evidence is repeatedly ignored to fit the scenario.

    As for PC evidence (the police wrecked his other one):

    And so, the certainty that is reached is limited to the fact that, at most, starting from 00:58 on 2 November a certain use of the computer was made, where however its usage in the preceding hours can only be ascertained by a crystal ball.


    So they finished Amelie after 9.00pm (we all know how stone cold killers/sexual deviants love Amelie and just put them in the mood for killing), they grab Solletico's huge kitchen knife, head over to Knox's, kill her with Guede, Clean up, Solletico returns home by midnight to use his computer but not to browse the web on how to clean up a crime scene.


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