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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    I actually still have one or two concerns with regards to the case, and to law professors as opposed to what your view???

    * the fact Knox initially confessed that she was in the house on the night of the murder and that she heard Miss Kercher scream, identifying a Congolese bar owner, Patrick Lumumba, as the assailant. She told the court during the trial that the confession was made under duress but then repeated the entire account in a five page memorandum the next morning. She later claimed Italian Authorities beat her, something which was strongly denied by everyone involved in the inquiry.
    Her initial claim is what is now, she spent the night with Solletico. The investigators then told her he denied this (he didn't) and then her story changed. All the memorandum required was a signature, she didn;t write it. She withdrew her accusation Lumumba before she even met a lawyer.

    * the fact forensic evidence proves that multiple people were involved in the murder and that Meredith, a string healthy young woman was over powered by a number of attackers:
    No, it doesn't. 7 forensic experts offered their opinion on that matter. Only one, chosen by the Kerschers, said more than one person was necessary for the crime.

    * the fact that Lumumba was promptly arrested and spent two weeks in jail and Knox seemed quite happy for him to remain jail . It was only by chance that a Swiss businessman read about the case and came forward to say he had been talking to Lumumba in his bar on the night of the murder — offering him a rock-solid alibi. Lumumba has also always claimed Knox was the one behind the murder that night and that Knox was the worlds greatest actress.
    How would Lumumba know that Knox did it?

    * the fact Knox then changed her story saying she was far away from the scene with her boyfriend at his place that night and that they watch the film Amelie on his lap top.
    No lawyer.

    * the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele’s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer, whilst Sollecito could not back up Knox’s alibi on the night of the murder. Whilst she claimed she spent the evening with him, smoking marijuana, watching the French film Amelie and making love. Sollecito told police he could not remember if Knox was with him that evening or not.
    Actually, initially there were records of Solletico usinmg the computer at the time of the murder. It was taken into police custody and whatever they did it was rendered useless as evidence.

    * the utterly inexplicable computer records in relation to the morning after the murder, starting at 5.32 am and including multiple file creations and interactions thereafter all during a time that Raffaele and Amanda insist they were asleep until 10.30am
    Torrent downloads? What does this even mean? weren't they supposed to be cleaning a crime scene?

    * the DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith’s bra-clasp in her locked bedroom;
    Bra was left on the floor for weeks after the murder. Several other mens DNA were on the clasp proving contamination.

    * the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in *no way* fits that of the other male in this case – Rudy Guede;
    What does that even mean? That Solletico was naked in the bathroom at some stage?

    * the fact that Raffaele’s own father blew their alibi that they were together in Raffaele’s flat at the time of the killing with indisputable telephone records;
    Link?

    * the DNA of Meredith Kercher on the knife in Raffaele’s flat which Raffaele himself sought to explain as having been from accidentally “pricking” Meredith’s hand in his written diary despite the fact Meredith had never been to his flat (confirmed by Amanda Knox);
    Maybe the knife went to Amanda's flat because he cooked for her/them? Makes more sense than bringing the knife over to stab her. I'm sure Amanda and Meredith had knives in the house.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    * the correlation of where Meredith’s phones were found to the location of Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guedes’s flats;
    What?
    * Amanda’s DNA mixed with Meredith Kercher’s in five different places just feet from Meredith’s body;
    Outside the room with DNA tools that leave plenty of doubt.
    * the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls’ cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am buying cleaning products, again while she said she was in bed;
    The witness was a heroin addict. The store owner said in a seperate police interview that she was a regular customer and she was not there the day in question. For some reason, only one of the interviews was admissable.
    * the fact Amanda Knox made two statements to Meredith's friends that the police found suspicious because they contained details that Amanda Knox should not have known. Indeed Meredith's roommate Natalie Hayward and other friends of Meredith's in Perugia at the time such as Amy Frost and Robyn Carmel Butterworth have always claimed they believe Knox to be the murderer.
    Feelies aren't evidence.
    * the fact that when Amanda Knox rang Meredith’s mobile telephones, ostensibly to check on the “missing” Meredith, she did so for just three seconds - registering the call but making no effort to allow the phone to be answered in the real world;
    Was Merediths phone on? Or maybe it was in the apartment and they heard it ring and hung up?
    * the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university – so far from the wholesome image portrayed;
    A guy watching strange porn and being interested in knives is not indicative of a murder. Where was the criminal activity?
    * the fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn’t break down a flimsy door to Meredith’s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren’t martial artists could;
    You don't have to be strong to be a kick boxer. He doesn't look it. How many doors have you kicked down in your life?
    * the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito admitted by Amanda Knox herself;
    So you believe the tesimony of the heroin addict, but not those of marijuana smokers?
    * the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;
    Link?
    * the lies of Knox on the witness stand in July 2009 about how their drug intake that night (“one joint”) is totally contradicted by Sollecito’s own contemporaneous diary;
    Oh noes!!!
    * the fact that after a late evening’s questioning, Knox wrote a 2,900 word email home which painstakingly details what she said happened that evening and the morning after that looks *highly* like someone committing to memory, at 3.30 in the morning, an extensive alibi;
    Or totally in line with someone who was bullied into signing a false statement with no lawyer.
    * the fact that both Amanda and Raffaele both said they would give up smoking dope for life in their prison diaries despite having apparently nothing to regret;
    Are you kidding? This is totally in line with people being rail roaded by the police because they were stoned the night in question. Do you honestly believe pot makes people violent?
    * the fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn’t celebrate the “true” perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn’t know would “make up strange things” about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people. Guede has always maintained that Knox committed the murder, and has had his sentence cut by nearly half and is eligible for parole from 2014 onward. It will be interesting to hear what Guede has to say on his release.;
    No they knew of Guede and likely believed he was strange. Guede told someone Amanda was not involved when attempting to flee the country.
    * the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was *on top* of apparently disturbed clothes;
    There was no evidence the clothes were disturbed. The clothes may have been there already. The police never checked if there were shrads beneath the clothese as well. Also, how do we know Guede didn't stage the break in?
    * that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;
    Link?
    * the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime;
    There was no bizarre behaviour as far as I can see.
    * the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito’s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede’s corroborated presence near the girl’s flat earlier in the evening;
    Link.
    * the fact that Amanda Knox’s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;
    It's impossible that Meredith borrowed it?
    * the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged; Knox’s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl’s cottage where she ended up physically shaking and hitting her head.
    All understandable reactions to being rail-roaded by police.
    Still, if she's so keen to prove her "innocence" she can quite easily attend the case in Italy and prove it, so how about it AK Rowling. Then again Knox prefers being around her US PR Team who feed gullible US citizens lots of misinformation including that it's all Italy's Justice Systems fault and that there is no evidence, whilst appearing all teary eyed on US Morning Television and across the US Media. It was just like 'Midnight Express' wasn't it Amanda.
    There are plenty of gullible people being fed a dishonest narrative by the Daily Mail and the tabloids over in the UK and Italy as exemplified by yourself. You rely on your feelies and little else. You're content to see the actual murder go free this year just so the American broad can get arrested. There is no reason for Knox to have any faith in the Italian justice system. Solletico was stupid to have such faith.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    I think you will find I can go through your posts and say what, link and disproved, the truth being that much of the evidence I produced is true and Italy actually has a serious legal system which found Knox guilty twice and we await for the final verdict from Italy's Supreme Court next year. In terms of Knox's contradictions and the fact numerous individuals committed I think you will find that's generally agreed, as are discrepancies in relation to the computer data, Knox's location on the night and Knox being seen by s shop keeper early the next morning when she claimed to have slept in late. There is also DNA Evidence, even though there was plenty of time to get rid of such evidence.

    I suggest you read John Follain,the Rome correspondent for the Sunday Times (who has been following the case since it began) book which is a neutral retelling of events rather than just lazily say there is no evidence. There is plenty of evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guardian

    Few crimes in recent years have captured the imagination quite so much as the murder in Perugia of Meredith Kercher. The beauty and kindness of the victim, the fresh faces of her alleged assassins, and their passion for sex and drugs, all set against the backdrop of one of Italy's most stunning cities, made this a story that was as captivating as it was tragic. Now that both Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito have been acquitted of Kercher's murder, the story becomes in some ways even more fascinating, as no one knows quite what to believe any more. Many people remain convinced that the two are guilty.

    John Follain is the Rome correspondent for the Sunday Times and has been following the case since it began. His book is a neutral retelling of events, from the British student's murder on the night of 1 November 2007 to that acquittal a few weeks ago on 3 October. Death in Perugia is not a first-person narrative, nor one that expresses an authorial opinion on the guilt or otherwise of those on trial. Perhaps because of this objectivity, it's a gripping read: a balanced, detailed account that allows the reader to respond to the central question: did they or didn't they?

    It was immediately clear to detectives who attended the crime scene that a burglary had been faked. Windows had been smashed, but they were too high for a burglar and the broken glass was on top of, rather than underneath, the flat's ransacked contents. No burglar, detectives thought, would have locked Kercher's room. The flat's front door hadn't been forced. It looked as if someone on the inside had been involved in the murder, or had at least let in the murderer.

    Attention turned to Kercher's American flatmate for many reasons: Amanda Knox had a scratch on her neck, and her behaviour as detectives watched her was bizarre in the extreme – constantly kissing and laughing with her Italian boyfriend, doing yoga in the police station, and snapping at one of Kercher's friends, who had expressed the hope that Meredith didn't suffer, with the retort: "She f*cking bled to death." (which she should not have known sat the time)

    As investigators looked more closely at Knox, she emerged as a narcissistic attention-seeker who was sexually adventurous but also jealous of Meredith Kercher's cheerful contentment. Knox knew, it seemed, no boundaries, leaving a vibrator in a transparent washbag and enjoying one-night stands. Detectives thought she was both sly and naive.

    These character traits, however, were as nothing compared with the contradictions she got caught up in. At first she said she was there that fateful night; then that she wasn't. Pages of her diary were ripped out. Her phone, always on, had been switched off early that evening. She had used drugs. Most incredible of all, Knox claimed to have entered the flat the following morning, having found the front door open and blood in the bathroom, and rather than running outside and calling the police had gone straight ahead and had a shower without a second thought.

    Her DNA was found on the handle of a knife that also had Kercher's DNA on its blade. That knife came from the kitchen of Knox's boyfriend, Sollecito. He, it emerged, was a habitual drug-user who liked knives and hardcore porn. His DNA was found on Kercher's bra clasp. He had lied about when he had used his computer, about the time of certain phone calls, and also about the time he'd eaten dinner.

    A third man emerged as a suspect. Rudy Guede alleged that he had merely been making out with Meredith and was in the bathroom when he heard her screams from the other room. He tried, he said, to save her. Prosecutors didn't believe his story, especially when DNA evidence indicated a sexual encounter with Kercher – with, detectives thought, Knox and Sollecito involved as coercers. Various eyewitnesses came forward to place Guede, Knox and Sollecito at the scene of the crime, and the fact that the young lovers had bought bleach the following morning suggested they were trying to cover their tracks.

    The evidence appeared overwhelming and all three were convicted. But earlier this month, Sollecito and Knox were acquitted. The lead prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, had told the jury "you can't make a black boy pay for everyone", but that is how it now stands: only Guede, raised in Perugia, born in Ivory Coast, remains in prison. Doubts had been raised about the DNA evidence: the bra clasp had been found 46 days after the initial police search and contamination seemed a possibility. Witnesses were shown to be confused. Knox stopped laughing and clowning around in court. The prosecutor himself was described as a sex-obsessed conspiracy theorist. Now, as the prosecution appeal to overturn the acquittal, there will probably be another trial.

    We will, of course, never really know what happened. Many remain convinced of Knox's guilt. "To my family," Meredith Kercher's father once said, "she is, unequivocally, culpable." One investigator said: "she's certainly not the first convict who claims she's innocent... My guess is that Amanda has convinced herself that she is." A prosecuting lawyer called her "a sorceress of deceit". Patrick Lumumba, the Congolese barman whom Knox falsely accused of the murder, said she was "the world's best actress".

    Death in Perugia: The Definitive Account of the Meredith Kercher Case by John Follain
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    I think you will find I can go through your posts and say what, link and disproved, the truth being that much of the evidence I produced is true and Italy actually has a serious legal system which found Knox guilty twice and we await for the final verdict from Italy's Supreme Court next year.
    Its a moot point. Most of America has determined that the Italian process was deeply flawed to the point of never being able to establish truth beyond a reasonable doubt. We won't give her back and GOD help Italy if they try to come get her



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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    Its a moot point. Most of America has determined that the Italian process was deeply flawed to the point of never being able to establish truth beyond a reasonable doubt. We won't give her back and GOD help Italy if they try to come get her
    You believe they'd attempt to abduct her on the street? That's absurd.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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    You believe they'd attempt to abduct her on the street? That's absurd.
    you never know!



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you never know!
    I don't think they'd cause an international incident over Foxy. More like they'll demand she be extradited, the US will refuse and that'll be that. There'll be a few choice words flung back and forth and then everyone goes back to business as usual. Both sides will save face and it'll be forgotten. You know it's just posturing. Nobody wants to back down and nobody will have to.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    You believe they'd attempt to abduct her on the street? That's absurd.
    I'm more curious about how likely other countries are to extradite her.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Besides, they'll never find her. I have friends in low places.

    She's in the shower. She says to say Hi!

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm more curious about how likely other countries are to extradite her.
    You mean in the event that she was taken into custody while abroad?

    I think she'd be a very considerable fool to leave the US any time soon. I wouldn't.
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