View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

    57 58.16%
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    In fairness, not one of us has a crystal ball. Some of the issues you find to be contentious couldn't have existed back then. Considering what they were up against, the scale of what they were trying to achieve and the fact that in certain areas they were groping blindly in the dark, they did a remarkable job.
    They did a good job with what they had, but they were extremely naive in some very basic ways.

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    Humanity is always quality. Only God is perfect.
    Only the Gods are perfect but this version of humanity has little to nothing of value left in it. Let's hope the next one does better.

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    I was referring to their unfounded claims. Basically that all women are victims and all men are brutal oppressors who revel in an extinct patriarchy. Having embarked upon your course, they'd transition from a puerile and infantile misandrist fringe to being completely vindicated, overnight. You'd not only suddenly prove them right but bring them out of their caves into the bright light of mainstream appeal.
    Good. Bring them out of the woodwork to either be reeducated or done away with. Best idea I've heard yet.

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    Neither women nor men have a 'place'. You can't simply silence millions of people, brah. That's psycho.
    Men and women each most definitely have a "place" in the world and silencing millions has been done before. You would not enjoy my view of what this country should be after a New Revolution.

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    Ideology only refers to subscribed ideals and concepts. Were you correct, the very first example of ideology to have ever existed on this earth would be the only one the world has ever lived by.
    No. The first ideology was the only CORRECT ideology, and it still is. Everything else afterwards is a bastardization of it.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They did a good job with what they had, but they were extremely naive in some very basic ways.
    I think that so many of their ideas hadn't been tested for so long, it could appear that way. If they made mistakes, it's not to be wondered at. However, I don't believe they erred in their most basic tenets. Concepts like justice and freedom are always laudable to the majority. I don't think anyone ever laboured beneath the delusion that people aren't fallible.

    Only the Gods are perfect but this version of humanity has little to nothing of value left in it. Let's hope the next one does better.
    It's all a learning curve. People need time.

    Good. Bring them out of the woodwork to either be reeducated or done away with. Best idea I've heard yet.
    lulz I'm gonna assume you're not entirely serious. If you are, you haven't thought it through.

    Men and women each most definitely have a "place" in the world and silencing millions has been done before. You would not enjoy my view of what this country should be after a New Revolution.
    I'm getting that. But despots are always brought low. Look at Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot. Stalin was a notable exception. Mugabe's next. You can't crush the human spirit, only besiege it. Sooner or later, people start pushing back. Hasn't the world suffered enough butchery?

    No. The first ideology was the only CORRECT ideology, and it still is. Everything else afterwards is a bastardization of it.
    As to that, I can't comment, being unfamiliar with the details of Naqadic culture. I do know we've seen every conceivable format in the interim. This alone speaks to ideology's evolution.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I think that so many of their ideas hadn't been tested for so long, it could appear that way. If they made mistakes, it's not to be wondered at. However, I don't believe they erred in their most basic tenets. Concepts like justice and freedom are always laudable to the majority. I don't think anyone ever laboured beneath the delusion that people aren't fallible.
    People are always fallible. They tried their best, it just wasn't good enough. It lasted for 80-90 years and that's probably longer than it had any right to.

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    It's all a learning curve. People need time.
    Then why are people moving further away from the proper way of doing things rather than towards it.

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    lulz I'm gonna assume you're not entirely serious. If you are, you haven't thought it through.
    I don't have a sense of humor and I don't make jokes or jests.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I'm getting that. But despots are always brought low. Look at Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot. Stalin was a notable exception. Mugabe's next. You can't crush the human spirit, only besiege it. Sooner or later, people start pushing back. Hasn't the world suffered enough butchery?
    If the world had suffered enough the problems would be fixed. They aren't. I'll let you draw the conclusions from there.

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    As to that, I can't comment, being unfamiliar with the details of Naqadic culture. I do know we've seen every conceivable format in the interim. This alone speaks to ideology's evolution.
    We've seen most of them, anyway. I would suggest it's a de-evolution.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    People are always fallible. They tried their best, it just wasn't good enough. It lasted for 80-90 years and that's probably longer than it had any right to.

    Then why are people moving further away from the proper way of doing things rather than towards it.
    Evidently, they disagree with your definitions as is their right to do so.

    I don't have a sense of humor and I don't make jokes or jests.
    You clearly never saw Groundhog Day. I defy anyone to sit through that without howling.

    If the world had suffered enough the problems would be fixed. They aren't. I'll let you draw the conclusions from there.
    The one that most readily occurs is that they are 'being' fixed. There's no road map.

    We've seen most of them, anyway. I would suggest it's a de-evolution.
    That's not really possible, since in order to devolve, we'd have to have begun with ideological perfection which would necessitate no historical timeline or resistance. This is nonsensical.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Evidently, they disagree with your definitions as is their right to do so.
    They can disagree with ME all they want. It's the Gods definition that they will have to deal with eventually.

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    You clearly never saw Groundhog Day. I defy anyone to sit through that without howling.
    Nope. I don't watch comedies. they're a waste of time.

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    The one that most readily occurs is that they are 'being' fixed. There's no road map.
    Whereas I draw the opposite conclusion.... that nobody cares to try and fix them.

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    That's not really possible, since in order to devolve, we'd have to have begun with ideological perfection which would necessitate no historical timeline or resistance. This is nonsensical.
    We did start with ideological perfection and then, because it wasn't fun or pleasant enough for everyone, we ran away from it.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah England got America back and Canada did not end up being a satellite of the USA but still remains one of England
    Well, that's news indeed! Funny no-one thought to inform the Brits or Canucks.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They can disagree with ME all they want. It's the Gods definition that they will have to deal with eventually.
    They have their own interpretations of God. Or gods if you wish. This is kinda the point. If morality were so objective, no one would disagree.

    Nope. I don't watch comedies. they're a waste of time.
    Fair enough. To each their own. Personally, I prefer horror.

    Whereas I draw the opposite conclusion.... that nobody cares to try and fix them.
    But you know that isn't so. You're not ignorant of history.

    We did start with ideological perfection and then, because it wasn't fun or pleasant enough for everyone, we ran away from it.
    Had it been perfect, why would anyone shrink from it?

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    Actually yes you did, you started prattling on about the EU and our membership, when this has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with ECHR.
    I see there is no point in discussing, as you don't receive, but I will try one last time. The points about EU and ECHR are related but different, giving background on our reasons for not extraditing people who may be sentenced to death and that this is not necessarily only relevant to UK, but to many EU countries who adopted certain ECHR articles.

    Now you don't have to respond, I know you don't understand the point and it appears never will appreciate it is not addressed to you, as you are in Europe, but to anyone who might not have realised this about our legal process.

    It might well be within our gift as you put it, as the Conservatives have suggested leaving the ECHR and replacing it with a British Bill of Rights.

    Britain may need to withdraw from European Convention on Human Rights, says Cameron - Telegraph
    That information is in the news and has been for months and it's really, really unlikely I could have missed it even if I tried (for feck sake).

    Thank you for confirming that at this time, whether you want to admit it or not, we adhere to certain ECHR articles (European not local UK only law) and that is why...bla bla bla how many times do you need it.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Thank Christ that moron's out next year.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Thank Christ that moron's out next year.
    Hear, hear. I suspect he probably will wait for the full term to expire before calling an election. At the moment it looks like Labour are 7-9% ahead in the polls. That might mean another close call, but with Labour creating the coalition. As long as it gets Osborne and Gove out of office, I'll be happy.
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