View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

    57 58.16%
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I love all the Europe vs America debates. They're so productive.
    The last PRODUCTIVE Europe vs. America debate happened around 1812.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmorado View Post
    From what I have seen, she should NOT be sent back. for one, double jeopardy. and 2.. from what I have seen and read about the trial, there was not enough evidence for a conviction. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt it someone other guys handprint and dna all over the place where the murder took place?
    Yes and he's in jail. People who suspect her give much attention to her changing testimony. They ignore how often the prosecutions hypothetical scenario has changed. When they couldn't get the satanic group sex game scenario to fit they changed to Amanda and Solletico stabbing her over an unflushed toilet and watching as Guede raped the corpse.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The last PRODUCTIVE Europe vs. America debate happened around 1812.
    I actually agree to an extent. Certainly, there's been no need of it since.

    You're a strange guy, Tigger. I sometimes wonder if I might not be more pro-American than you are, being far less critical of it. You're an odd fusion of patriot and anti-American.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I actually agree to an extent. Certainly, there's been no need of it since.
    You do realize that debate was carried out with firearms and included the burning of Washington DC, correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    You're a strange guy, Tigger. I sometimes wonder if I might not be more pro-American than you are, being far less critical of it. You're an odd fusion of patriot and anti-American.
    I am neither. I am someone who has a particular vision for what he believes was, and should continue to be the foundation of this nation. Unfortuantely that ideal was destroyed a century and a half ago and has continued to be eroded away over that period of time. I would prefer to see the US return to that vision, and without it I see little to no value in this nation.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You do realize that debate was carried out with firearms and included the burning of Washington DC, correct?
    I do. I'm not sure what the point is.

    I am neither. I am someone who has a particular vision for what he believes was, and should continue to be the foundation of this nation. Unfortuantely that ideal was destroyed a century and a half ago and has continued to be eroded away over that period of time. I would prefer to see the US return to that vision, and without it I see little to no value in this nation.
    I guess you know how I'll respond to this, but there's no turning the clock back. Development is a bonus, not a disgrace. Ideology is malleable and reflects the state of the world as it stands, for better and worse. Even were it possible to regress, we'd sustain similar devolution across the board. Values can't exist in a vacuum.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The last PRODUCTIVE Europe vs. America debate happened around 1812.
    (Pretty sure we won that one.)

    How's the new White House? Nicer than the one we burnt down? Shame about all of your founding fathers' heirlooms, though.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I guess you know how I'll respond to this, but there's no turning the clock back. Development is a bonus, not a disgrace. Ideology is malleable and reflects the state of the world as it stands, for better and worse. Even were it possible to regress, we'd sustain similar devolution across the board. Values can't exist in a vacuum.
    Advancement is only a bonus IF it is maintained within the proper limits of society or if society can be trained to use it within those proper limits. Better to devolve across the board than to throw away our values for computers, cars, and cell phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    (Pretty sure we won that one.) How's the new White House? Nicer than the one we burnt down? Shame about all of your founding fathers' heirlooms, though.
    No, not really. You folks (funny hearing a Scotsman willingly align himself with the English) did a good job of making things miserable for a while but if you'd actually WON you'd be hearing a lot more of "God Save the Queen" in Sochi, Russia starting the end of this week than that "Star Spangled Banner" that you will be hearing. Kind of apropo, considering that poem was written during that conflict. The Founders hold only partial value in my mind. Great ideas but massive naivite and no concept of long-term thinking.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Advancement is only a bonus IF it is maintained within the proper limits of society or if society can be trained to use it within those proper limits. Better to devolve across the board than to throw away our values for computers, cars, and cell phones.
    Technological advance was inevitable from the moment simians became self-aware. We're a curious and inventive species. That's our nature. Even during those times you hearken back to, there was no dismissal of technology, being in part born of it. Besides, technology doesn't cater to the conception of values. Merely their dissemination. In the ancient world, word of mouth was adequate even where illiteracy was the norm. Would you prefer the life of an impoverished rustic, living at subsistence level or less? Such values as you cherish from that time were largely counter-productive and only set the stage for a compensatory reaction once conditions improved.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Technological advance was inevitable from the moment simians became self-aware. We're a curious and inventive species. That's our nature.
    Yes, that advancement is inevitable. It was, is, and always will be a test of whether we are willing to live as we SHOULD or as we WANT. We have developed tools, machines, and techniques that make construction easier, even for those who lack significant upper body strength. That still doesn't mean it is an appropriate profession for women. We shouldn't get rid of the backhoe or nailgun simply because they could be used by a woman, but we should restrict the access to such tools to ensure they don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Would you prefer the life of an impoverished rustic, living at subsistence level or less? Such values as you cherish from that time were largely counter-productive and only set the stage for a compensatory reaction once conditions improved.
    Given the option of a subsistance level life with morals or this life, I'll take subsistance. I just don't believe that the things have to be mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    I love all the Europe vs America debates. They're so productive.
    The big one from 41-45 was



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