View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

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  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

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  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    She'd probably like it and live.
    good point



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    From what I have seen, she should NOT be sent back. for one, double jeopardy. and 2.. from what I have seen and read about the trial, there was not enough evidence for a conviction. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt it someone other guys handprint and dna all over the place where the murder took place?
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The same guy who argued Claus Von Bulow was "innocent" and OJ was innocent. AD is a brilliant law professor but to say he is objective is a bit of stretch
    He argued they were innocent because he was being paid yo defend Claus Von Bulow and was advisor to the O.J Simpson Defence Team, if anything that shows what a superb defence lawyer he is. However in this case he is not representing or advising Amanda Knox is so is free to give an impartial view of the case, if he was being paid to represent Knox or advise her then things would be very different and he would be trying to clear her name, as it stands he has nothing to lose or gain in this case, and is merely stating the facts as he sees them as an academic and lawyer at one of worlds finest educational institutions and law schools.

    I am sure if AD had been paid to defend the likes of Charles Manson, he would have argued his clients case, that's what Lawyers are paid to do, in terms of Knox he isn't been paid to defend her and can be impartial.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I feel a bit bad for you. I can't imagine what life would be like if I decided there was nothing new, exciting or wondrous in life out there in the wide world -- that I had everything I needed exactly where I was and didn't want anything else.
    Please don't waste your emotional energy on me. Life is much clearer, easier, and less stressful when you already know the answers before the questions are asked.

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    Besides evidently making you, in my opinion, somewhat offensive (Italy beats the US in a number of human development index and quality of life index areas), you're also wilfully shutting yourself off from so much culture, history, beauty and experience, not just physically but mentally and emotionally, by taking the stance that there's pretty much nothing out there that interests you.
    LOL. There is no place is Europe which has anywhere near the quality of life as America. Where in Europe are you free to carry a firearm for your own personal defense? Where in Europe do the founding documents give one not only the right but the duty to overthrow the Government when necessary? Where in Europe do individuals have to actually fend for themselves rather than the Government doing everything for them? The European cultures I have an interest in died with the end of the 16th Century and the beginning of the Renaissance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Don't you find it oppressive and boring?
    Not at all. It's actually extremely liberating.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    We've all heard the story; I'm sure I don't need to fill you in.

    American student Amanda Knox has, after appeal, been convicted of the murder of a British student in Italy along with her Italian boyfriend.

    Amanda Knox has been with her family in Seattle during the trial, but now Italy is going to make an extradition request and put Knox in prison for the murder.

    What are your thoughts on the subject?
    I voted "no, she isn't guilty" but I think it would have been better if you had put for that option, "there isn't enough solid evidence to convict." That would be my preferred choice.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Please don't waste your emotional energy on me. Life is much clearer, easier, and less stressful when you already know the answers before the questions are asked.



    LOL. There is no place is Europe which has anywhere near the quality of life as America. Where in Europe are you free to carry a firearm for your own personal defense? Where in Europe do the founding documents give one not only the right but the duty to overthrow the Government when necessary? Where in Europe do individuals have to actually fend for themselves rather than the Government doing everything for them? The European cultures I have an interest in died with the end of the 16th Century and the beginning of the Renaissance.



    Not at all. It's actually extremely liberating.

    There are many places in Europe with an overall higher quality of life than in the United States (Quality-of-life Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), and nearly everywhere in the EU beats the US in several important factors, like healthcare, life expectancy, infant mortality, food safety, crime statistics, welfare provision and public services, including transport.

    So, you are just factually, objectively wrong if you think the US has a higher quality of life than anywhere in Europe. This is simply factually inaccurate.

    Furthermore, several European nations do keep the provision of overthrow of the government if it becomes tyrannical, and in fact one of those nations, France, is way better at it than you, having done so happily and bravely multiple times over the course of their history, while you only managed to do it once, and even then only because the French helped you out.

    So maybe you should take some pointers from the French on how to stand up to a tyrannical government and let the people rule?

    Finally, I'll address your gun issue. While it is mind-boggling to me that someone can be so cowardly and scared of their own country that they live in absolute fear unless they have a firearm with them, it is indeed possible in every single European country to own firearms -- yes, even in Britain. Rifle licenses are cheap and easy to obtain, and shotgun licenses are a dime a dozen. These simply come with a provision: Background checks, strict registration requirements, and absolutely stringent prohibition on carrying loaded weapons around where you could cause mass destruction without good cause.

    Because of the gun laws here, we don't have upwards of 50 mass shootings a year. We don't have tens of thousands of our citizens dead in shootings, drive-by's, accidental discharges or friendly 'accidents' every year. I enjoy hunting and shooting as a sport -- I go to the range, where I keep my rifle (though I could keep it locked up at home, if I so wished), and fire it at the range as much as I like. Or I could drive up half an hour outside the city and shoot clay pigeons, which I do regularly. Or I could grab a hunting license and shoot game, if I had the mind to do so.

    What I can't do is walk into a school and blast 27 little children with concealed weapons and automatic rifles. Frankly, you're a fool and a monster if you believe this sort of behaviour should be implicitly condoned by the government by allowing anyone to own such weapons.


    To finish, I reiterate my point that you've got a warped and sad view of the world around you, and I think you could benefit from some more unbiased study of the ways other places do things.

    After all, your country isn't perfect. If it was, you wouldn't be here debating today.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    He argued they were innocent because he was being paid yo defend Claus Von Bulow and was advisor to the O.J Simpson Defence Team, if anything that shows what a superb defence lawyer he is. However in this case he is not representing or advising Amanda Knox is so is free to give an impartial view of the case, if he was being paid to represent Knox or advise her then things would be very different and he would be trying to clear her name, as it stands he has nothing to lose or gain in this case, and is merely stating the facts as he sees them as an academic and lawyer at one of worlds finest educational institutions and law schools.

    I am sure if AD had been paid to defend the likes of Charles Manson, he would have argued his clients case, that's what Lawyers are paid to do, in terms of Knox he isn't been paid to defend her and can be impartial.
    AD is a media darling-some would say Media Whore. hard to say what his motivations area. The only time you know AD is telling the truth is on matters involving Israel



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    There are many places in Europe with an overall higher quality of life than in the United States (Quality-of-life Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), and nearly everywhere in the EU beats the US in several important factors, like healthcare, life expectancy, infant mortality, food safety, crime statistics, welfare provision and public services, including transport.

    So, you are just factually, objectively wrong if you think the US has a higher quality of life than anywhere in Europe. This is simply factually inaccurate.

    Furthermore, several European nations do keep the provision of overthrow of the government if it becomes tyrannical, and in fact one of those nations, France, is way better at it than you, having done so happily and bravely multiple times over the course of their history, while you only managed to do it once, and even then only because the French helped you out.

    So maybe you should take some pointers from the French on how to stand up to a tyrannical government and let the people rule?

    Finally, I'll address your gun issue. While it is mind-boggling to me that someone can be so cowardly and scared of their own country that they live in absolute fear unless they have a firearm with them, it is indeed possible in every single European country to own firearms -- yes, even in Britain. Rifle licenses are cheap and easy to obtain, and shotgun licenses are a dime a dozen. These simply come with a provision: Background checks, strict registration requirements, and absolutely stringent prohibition on carrying loaded weapons around where you could cause mass destruction without good cause.

    Because of the gun laws here, we don't have upwards of 50 mass shootings a year. We don't have tens of thousands of our citizens dead in shootings, drive-by's, accidental discharges or friendly 'accidents' every year. I enjoy hunting and shooting as a sport -- I go to the range, where I keep my rifle (though I could keep it locked up at home, if I so wished), and fire it at the range as much as I like. Or I could drive up half an hour outside the city and shoot clay pigeons, which I do regularly. Or I could grab a hunting license and shoot game, if I had the mind to do so.

    What I can't do is walk into a school and blast 27 little children with concealed weapons and automatic rifles. Frankly, you're a fool and a monster if you believe this sort of behaviour should be implicitly condoned by the government by allowing anyone to own such weapons.


    To finish, I reiterate my point that you've got a warped and sad view of the world around you, and I think you could benefit from some more unbiased study of the ways other places do things.

    After all, your country isn't perfect. If it was, you wouldn't be here debating today.
    LOL, some of us find those moronic gun laws a major reason NOT to live in those EUrosocialist "paradises". And yes, you can walk into a school and do that mayhem as was proven in what was it NORWAY a couple years ago. No one has done such a thing in the USA with AUTOMATIC rifles.

    BTW us white folks who don't associate with inner city drug traffickers have lower rates of gun violence than most white Europeans



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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    There are many places in Europe with an overall higher quality of life than in the United States, and nearly everywhere in the EU beats the US in several important factors, like healthcare, life expectancy, infant mortality, food safety, crime statistics, welfare provision and public services, including transport.

    So, you are just factually, objectively wrong if you think the US has a higher quality of life than anywhere in Europe. This is simply factually inaccurate.
    I wondered if this might be an issue.... as a European you have no idea what Quality of Life actually means. Unfortunately for you folks it doesn't mean giving most of your money to the Government so that you don't actually have to take care of yourselves. In fact, it's the exact opposite.... so long as you've proven an ability to make the right decisions true Quality of Life means the Government being involved in as little of your life as humanly possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Furthermore, several European nations do keep the provision of overthrow of the government if it becomes tyrannical, and in fact one of those nations, France, is way better at it than you, having done so happily and bravely multiple times over the course of their history, while you only managed to do it once, and even then only because the French helped you out.So maybe you should take some pointers from the French on how to stand up to a tyrannical government and let the people rule?
    Who was suggesting overthrowing a tryannical government and letting the people rule. I'm talking about getting rid of the bat-**** crazy Government we've had since 1861 and replacing it with one based on Morals, Values, and Social Order.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Finally, I'll address your gun issue. While it is mind-boggling to me that someone can be so cowardly and scared of their own country that they live in absolute fear unless they have a firearm with them, it is indeed possible in every single European country to own firearms -- yes, even in Britain. Rifle licenses are cheap and easy to obtain, and shotgun licenses are a dime a dozen. These simply come with a provision: Background checks, strict registration requirements, and absolutely stringent prohibition on carrying loaded weapons around where you could cause mass destruction without good cause.
    I trust NOBODY. Literally. Nobody here in the US nor anyone anywhere else. That's called COMMON SENSE. The ability to own a firearm is nothing if you are not allowed to carry it for personal protection and to protect oneself from the Government. Shotguns and "hunting" rifles are worthless as the sole means to protect oneself.... Oh, that's right you're not allowed to use those firearms to protect yourself. Which makes you SHEEP to any WOLF willing to do whatever they want to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Because of the gun laws here, we don't have upwards of 50 mass shootings a year. We don't have tens of thousands of our citizens dead in shootings, drive-by's, accidental discharges or friendly 'accidents' every year. I enjoy hunting and shooting as a sport -- I go to the range, where I keep my rifle (though I could keep it locked up at home, if I so wished), and fire it at the range as much as I like. Or I could drive up half an hour outside the city and shoot clay pigeons, which I do regularly. Or I could grab a hunting license and shoot game, if I had the mind to do so.
    Because of your laws you don't have nearly 1,600,000 civilian uses of firearms to defend/protect oneself or prevent crimes either. In fact, that very concept is illegal in your part of the world.... Or you could watch your wife be raped while you sit there bleeding to death because you can't use your guns to protect yourself or your family. 50 mass shootings a year is nothing compared to the good firearms do in this nation on a DAILY basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    What I can't do is walk into a school and blast 27 little children with concealed weapons and automatic rifles. Frankly, you're a fool and a monster if you believe this sort of behaviour should be implicitly condoned by the government by allowing anyone to own such weapons.
    Legally you can't do that here in the US either; but like most worthless laws, people ignore it regularly (as I do). Like a young woman getting a restraining order against her abusive ex-husband rather than a handgun. He'll walk right through the restraining order but won't be so likely to walk through 2 rounds of .45ACP in his chest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    To finish, I reiterate my point that you've got a warped and sad view of the world around you, and I think you could benefit from some more unbiased study of the ways other places do things.
    LOL. My families left Europe over the last 400 years to get AWAY from people and things like what you're suggesting, not to promote them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    After all, your country isn't perfect. If it was, you wouldn't be here debating today.
    The USA is far from perfect and getting further away by the moment as we become more like Europe and the UK. Though I will tell you, I don't debate. It's a waste of time and energy since my viewpoint will NEVER be changed.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    I love all the Europe vs America debates. They're so productive.

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