View Poll Results: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

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  • Yes, in accordance with the US-Italy extradition treaty.

    27 27.55%
  • Yes, she should be imprisoned somewhere, but maybe in the US.

    2 2.04%
  • No, Americans shouldn't be extradited to foreign nations even if they're guilty.

    12 12.24%
  • No, she isn't guilty.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    This is a very challenging situation for the US. More so politically than ethically or legally. Double jeopardy does not apply. And we also have a dark cloud hanging over our heads regarding a covert extraction by CIA off Italian soil recently. And Italy is pissed about that little event.

    With that said. We probably should give her up if she is extradited by Italy. But don't think there is a chance in hell that Kerry at State (or Obama) is actually going to hand over a weeping pretty young girl to a foreign government.

    Not an attractive idea politically.......


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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I don't think you're being entirely fair -- the US extradites both Britons and Americans to the UK all the time. There have been some high-profile cases, particularly to do with the IRA, that have aroused the ire of the UK about the UK-US extradition treaty, but if you read it, I think you'll agree it's pretty fair.

    I agree with you that the US refusing to extradite some IRA members due to a very loose interpretation of what 'political refugee' means is pretty unstomachable. Equally, though, Britain flatly refuses to extradite murderers to the US unless the US promises not to go for the death penalty.
    Britain is part of the EU in some respects. The European Convention of Human Rights protects the right to life and countries adopting it cannot send anyone to their death.

    It's not just to US. Ref Abu Qatada and inability to allow extradition to Jordan in case they might torture him or some such...

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I don't see why.

    it's been long established that countries do not have to extradict if doing so violates their own civil rights protections. it's been brought up dozens of times this thread, but Canada won't extradict to the united states anyone charged with a capital offense unless the death penalty is taken off the table. (personally, I'm of the opinion that if another country refuses to extradict to us on that grounds we should just say "OK, he's yours, I'm sure our capital murderers will make a wonderful addition to your society" congradulations on a new canadian national!")

    Brazil will not extradict a Brazilian citizen nor the mother of a brazilian citizen under any circumstances.

    treaties are broad like that.
    Well, Canada won't extradite people to executions in Pakistan or Zimbabwe or North Korea or other countries with the death penalty, either.
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The wide world if the modern age is a place I have no use for. I am an Isolationist at heart and always will be. There's nothing outside the US that I need to see.



    Don't leave the US and it's not an issue to begin with. Honestly, she shouldn't have gotten any aid from the US when she was tried originally but now that she's home there's no way the US should allow her to be sent back to a Socialist **** hole like Italy.
    Too late for that. She went there and is accountable for her actions there.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Britain is part of the EU in some respects. The European Convention of Human Rights protects the right to life and countries adopting it cannot send anyone to their death.

    It's not just to US. Ref Abu Qatada and inability to allow extradition to Jordan in case they might torture him or some such...
    The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is different to the EU, both EU Law and the ECHR take judicial precedents over our national laws.

    The ECHR was established by the Council of Europe which covers 47 countries and 820 million people and the ECHR was signed by the UK in 1953 we didn't join the EU or EEC as it was known then until 1973.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Well, Canada won't extradite people to executions in Pakistan or Zimbabwe or North Korea or other countries with the death penalty, either.
    and that's their right... I'm saying that US prosecutors should adopt a policy "oh you think it's cruel to execute this child molester murderer who killed 3 children, show us how it's done, he's your problem now, he can live free and not in fear of the death penalty among YOUR citizens. buh bye"
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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Changing your story is not evidence of murder. There was no person (besides the originally accused) who pointed at her and said "she did it" either. She was probably scared out of her mind, being accused of murder in a foreign country with no family around to help her. God only knows how long they had interrogated the poor girl for.
    No, no evidence at all exists...except:
    • Her own confession putting herself at the scene
    • The false accusation against her employer
    • The subsequent changes in her account as she was arrested
    • The mixed blood spots
    • The footprint
    • Her table lamp locked in the murder room
    • The different accounts of the locked door
    • Both cell phones turned off
    • The DNA evidence implicating her and her boyfriend
    • The staging of the murder scene..False break in..Moved body..Covering body
    • Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder
    • The witness who saw her and her boyfriend overlooking the cottage on the murder night
    • The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping
    • The 3am call to her mother which she denied making
    • Her overall behaviour after the murder


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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is different to the EU, both EU Law and the ECHR take judicial precedents over our national laws.

    The ECHR was established by the Council of Europe which covers 47 countries and 820 million people and the ECHR was signed by the UK in 1953 we didn't join the EU or EEC as it was known then until 1973.

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    And what? We are part of the EU in some respects (though not all).

    ECHR Article 2 protects the right to life and 6 confers right to a fair trial, which I assume means they can't be extradited if it risks their life (as it would if extradited by US on murder charges depending on the State) and in the same way people may claim asylum if life is under threat.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Too late for that. She went there and is accountable for her actions there.
    She was found not guilty by an appeals court if my memory serves me properly. Here in the US we gave something called Double Jeopardy.... It means you only get to try a person once for a particular crime. If the Italian courts messed up the first time that's their problem not hers.

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    Re: Should Amanda Knox Be Extradited to Prison in Italy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, no evidence at all exists...except:
    • Her own confession putting herself at the scene
    • The false accusation against her employer
    • The subsequent changes in her account as she was arrested
    • The mixed blood spots
    • The footprint
    • Her table lamp locked in the murder room
    • The different accounts of the locked door
    • Both cell phones turned off
    • The DNA evidence implicating her and her boyfriend
    • The staging of the murder scene..False break in..Moved body..Covering body
    • Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder
    • The witness who saw her and her boyfriend overlooking the cottage on the murder night
    • The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping
    • The 3am call to her mother which she denied making
    • Her overall behaviour after the murder


    Is Amanda Knox Guilty?
    most of the evidence was investigated tailored on her "confession" which I don't consider voluntary because police have an interest in getting a suspect. they know how to manipulate people. people confess to things they didn't do all the time.

    the only thing I have to say to police when investigated is "I want my lawyer" or if I'm abroad "in accordance with the Vienna convention I demand the United States Consulate be informed of my arrest and a consular officer be notified to obtain legal counsel for me"

    if Knox was smart enough to say that I'm willing to bet the cops would've moved on to a different suspect.
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