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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I could see a seatbelt helping a person regain control of a car if said seatbelt was a 4-point harness or some such and kept them from being thrown off balance when the car spun, so they had the leverage to regain control.

    But I'm not sure a normal seat belt would help much.
    I agree.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    How is that dishonest? At no point have I noted that neither one save individuals. I am one who believe in the consequences of one's actions to one's self, but not to others, if it can be helped. If you ride a motorcycle with your helmet off you risk only yourself, because your lack of helmet will not affect you ability to control or regain control of the bike in an accident.
    What if an object hits you in the head and you pass out because you weren't wearing an accident and lose control of the bike and cause an accident that kills someone?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    The way I look at it....motorized vehicles are like firearms - a tool that is dangerous if used incorrectly.

    Firearms users are supposed to follow safe practices when using their tools, to avoid accidentally harming others.
    In the same vein, motorized vehicle operators are supposed to follow safe practices when driving, to avoid accidentally harming others.

    Similarly, firearms users wear protective gear while using their tools.

    I'm not sure that requiring the wearing of seatbelts and/or helmets by law is the way to go, but I am damn sure that if you DON'T do so, your insurance costs should be higher.

    And if you die or are injured if hit by another vehicle, and are not wearing a seatbelt/helmet, some of the blame for your death/injury falls not on the other driver, but on you.

    It seems logical...
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    If a person is driving so fast that a seat belt must hold him secure in his seat, it is the speed that is the factor and not the seat belt. Perhaps, the seat belt could increase his odds of staying alive but the DA could still cause an accident if he/she is driving that fast. Now if a person loses control of the car because he spins on ice (let's say) and the belt keeps him in his seat, other cars can still get into an accident due to the spinning of the car. The seat belt may help all these drivers that got involved in this accident walk away but the seat belt does not prevent such loss of control.
    I was driving 30 MPH, well under the posted speed, trying to avoid a car that slid from a side street into my lane on the main road. I avoided him just fine but was very lucky I didn't hit the power pole because I certainly couldn't control the car from the middle of the front seat. I never drove without my seat belt, again.

    Speed has little to do with it. All it takes is some lateral G and your butt is being tugged out from behind the wheel. At that point you're no longer controlling the car, you're using the wheel to try to hold your position, instead of steering the car.


    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Let' be honest. Seat belts may save the driver and/or passengers from severe injury or death. Anything else is hype like seat belts preventing flying bodies from hitting others or speeding cars that lose control that suddenly can maintain control. The out of norm stuff mentioned is NOT the reason we have seat belt laws.
    I am being honest. You can't control a car from the middle of the front seat and you can't control a car if you're hanging onto the wheel to hold yourself in place.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But I'm not sure a normal seat belt would help much.
    It does. There's no way you'll end up in the middle of the front seat (or even trying to slide) if you're wearing a seat belt - even a 3-pt, hell, even a 2-pt if it's a lap belt that's positioned correctly.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It does. There's no way you'll end up in the middle of the front seat (or even trying to slide) if you're wearing a seat belt - even a 3-pt, hell, even a 2-pt if it's a lap belt that's positioned correctly.
    That much it would help. I was thinking more in terms of holding you in driving position so you could regain/maintain control of a vehicle, since someone was apparently arguing that a seatbelt helped you do so.

    I would think that a 3-point or 2-point would only keep you in the seat, and that you would be thrown around a bit more than a 4-pt. or whatever.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I am being honest. You can't control a car from the middle of the front seat and you can't control a car if you're hanging onto the wheel to hold yourself in place.
    I get in my car every day and retain a resting heart rate of 60bpm by imagining the roads aren't filled with millions of drivers you need to explain this to.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I was driving 30 MPH, well under the posted speed, trying to avoid a car that slid from a side street into my lane on the main road. I avoided him just fine but was very lucky I didn't hit the power pole because I certainly couldn't control the car from the middle of the front seat. I never drove without my seat belt, again.

    Speed has little to do with it. All it takes is some lateral G and your butt is being tugged out from behind the wheel. At that point you're no longer controlling the car, you're using the wheel to try to hold your position, instead of steering the car.


    I am being honest. You can't control a car from the middle of the front seat and you can't control a car if you're hanging onto the wheel to hold yourself in place.
    The purpose of seat belts is to protect the occupants in a car.


    Overall, we find that seat belt legislation unambiguously reduces traffic fatalities. Specifically, we estimate that a 10 percent increase in usage rate reduces occupant fatalities by about 1.35 percent and has no significant effect on fatalities among non-occupants. This implies that a 10 percent increase in the national level of seat belt usage rate will save about 500 lives annually. Interestingly, although the effect of increased seat belt usage on lives saved is substantial, its magnitude is considerably smaller than the estimate that has been used by the federal government. http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/...rs/pdf/341.pdf

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Name something else normally in a vehicle's passenger compartment that weighs 120 or more pounds. Weight does make a difference.

    But along with that, you're required to secure things within or on your vehicle that can become a road hazard, or you can get in trouble for not doing so.

    And very few people would feel any guilt or be emotionally upset about running over an inanimate object.
    However, most people, at least if they aren't severely messed up already, are not going to take running over a person, whether living or not, well.



    Correct.

    But I predict that some people will continue to resist seat-belt use

    And people will continue to die because of this.




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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


    Discuss...
    I do not object to the laws, and I think that wearing them is a very good idea.

    As a motorcycle rider, it's hard to get worked up about the Great Mortal Sin of not wearing them.

    I think they are a good idea, like motorcycle helmets, which I use all the time and have saved my bacon on 2 different days.

    That said, I oppose the practice of ticketing people JUST for no seat belt.

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