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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Considering that after the introduction in my country, fatalities in car accidents went down by 70%, I believe I have the legitemate right to call everyone who opposes it a fanatic knownothing.
    it's not about safety, it's not the government's place to mandate it.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    To not wear a seat belt is silly if you care about your safety. They obviously save lives in a huge way.

    BUT...I do not believe for one second that the government has the right to force you to wear them.

    If I want to further risk my life by not wearing a seat belt...that is my choice.

    Bungy jumping and recreational skydiving are not safe...should the government outlaw them as well? Of course not.

    I should be legally able to smoke crack, jump out of an airplane for fun, not wear a helmet while I ride a motorcycle, not wear seat belts or even kill myself...none of these things on their own are ANY of the government's business.

    If I wish to abuse/subject my body to greater danger...including not wearing seat belts...that should be my choice.
    I agree in theory... but what about when uninsured (medical and/or car) get in a crash? The taxpayers will pay for it. Heck... the taxpayers pay more when police, fire and paramedic are at scenes where one is more injured than less injured too... In a car accident with a belt? You are probably fine if speeds were low and you walk away. Probably no fire or paramedic even show up. Low speed crash with no belt can cause serious injuries... fire and paramedic show up... all involved have longer hours... etc.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Well, to me the line is a greater good. How many people who recreationally skydive clog up ERs half dead leaving children and widows in the lurch......or left so catastrophically injured that the state will have to pitch in for the remaining decades of his life to keep him afloat?

    I think that is the difference. Seatbelts make a huge difference in the survivalbility of an accident and the severity of the injuries. GIven that most Americans find themselves in a car and rarely jumping out of a plane makes the greater good difference.
    Good great gods! Does no one read? I have said and am saying again! I support the seat belt law! For reasons other than you have put here, but support it none the less. I am making a reference to HELMETS for motorcycles! Leave the bloody seat belts out of it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    it's not about safety, it's not the government's place to mandate it.
    How is it not about safety? For your sake so that you don't have to go back and read it, I will repost my reasoning why it's is within reason for seat belts to be mandated. When you have a seat belt on you are less likely to be thrown around or out of the vehicle. Thus you have a higher chance of either regaining control of the vehicle or of at least enough control to minimize/eliminate harm to others. Therefore it is within reason because you are protecting others from a decision of someone else. This is opposed to the consequences only to one's self if you do not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Good great gods! Does no one read? I have said and am saying again! I support the seat belt law! For reasons other than you have put here, but support it none the less. I am making a reference to HELMETS for motorcycles! Leave the bloody seat belts out of it!



    How is it not about safety? For your sake so that you don't have to go back and read it, I will repost my reasoning why it's is within reason for seat belts to be mandated. When you have a seat belt on you are less likely to be thrown around or out of the vehicle. Thus you have a higher chance of either regaining control of the vehicle or of at least enough control to minimize/eliminate harm to others. Therefore it is within reason because you are protecting others from a decision of someone else. This is opposed to the consequences only to one's self if you do not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle.
    I am not sure what the drama is. Can't we support the laws for different reasons? Like I said, it is a twofer!

    It of course is about safety. If people are safer, they do not land in ERS with catastrophic injuries as much or leave families that cannot support themselves.

    Safe is good.

    Saving money for the taxpayers is good.

    Two-fer the price of one.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I am not sure what the drama is. Can't we support the laws for different reasons? Like I said, it is a twofer!

    It of course is about safety. If people are safer, they do not land in ERS with catastrophic injuries as much or leave families that cannot support themselves.

    Safe is good.

    Saving money for the taxpayers is good.

    Two-fer the price of one.
    The principle of the law is every bi as important as the results of the law. It's one of the reasons why I support the seat belt laws and not the helmet laws. They have two seperate principles behind them. Seat belt laws help other people not be affected by my decisions (i.e. if I don't wear it there is a higher chance that others will get hurt). Helmet laws on only about the operator (i.e. the odds of people other than myself getting hurt are the same regardless of whether or not I wear a helmet). If we want to apply the principle of we make a law to reduce injuries and taxpayer funded medical expenses then why are we not doing it with other activities, such as high contact sports, or skydiving or base jumping or any other number of activities?

    And my drama comes in because I keep saying that we should not have laws like the helmet laws, and people keep saying "counter argument and that's why we should have seat belt laws."
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    The principle of the law is every bi as important as the results of the law. It's one of the reasons why I support the seat belt laws and not the helmet laws. They have two seperate principles behind them. Seat belt laws help other people not be affected by my decisions (i.e. if I don't wear it there is a higher chance that others will get hurt). Helmet laws on only about the operator (i.e. the odds of people other than myself getting hurt are the same regardless of whether or not I wear a helmet). If we want to apply the principle of we make a law to reduce injuries and taxpayer funded medical expenses then why are we not doing it with other activities, such as high contact sports, or skydiving or base jumping or any other number of activities?
    So you aren't aware of the safety reforms the NFL is facing? They're seriously going to start putting impact censors in the helmets and when a player takes a cretin amount of impact they will be pulled. There's all kinds of **** coming down the line.

    Non of us answer for all of us. You keep trying to hold individual people responsible for all these different areas...skydiving....contact sports....I don't know why we aren't implementing Jerry@DebatePolitics.com's principal across all subjects, but it may be because I don't make the law.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    The principle of the law is every bi as important as the results of the law. It's one of the reasons why I support the seat belt laws and not the helmet laws. They have two seperate principles behind them. Seat belt laws help other people not be affected by my decisions (i.e. if I don't wear it there is a higher chance that others will get hurt). Helmet laws on only about the operator (i.e. the odds of people other than myself getting hurt are the same regardless of whether or not I wear a helmet). If we want to apply the principle of we make a law to reduce injuries and taxpayer funded medical expenses then why are we not doing it with other activities, such as high contact sports, or skydiving or base jumping or any other number of activities?

    And my drama comes in because I keep saying that we should not have laws like the helmet laws, and people keep saying "counter argument and that's why we should have seat belt laws."
    Did I? because your drama was pointed at me.

    I just said it was a two for the price of one. My opinion. Does it take away from yours?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    The principle of the law is every bi as important as the results of the law. It's one of the reasons why I support the seat belt laws and not the helmet laws. They have two seperate principles behind them. Seat belt laws help other people not be affected by my decisions (i.e. if I don't wear it there is a higher chance that others will get hurt)."
    That's a pretty dishonest point. Seat belt laws help save the individual as do helmet laws.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You are both actually missing the point of what I responded to. Remember that I support the seat belt laws because of how they will aid the driver in not causing injuries to others by keeping them in the seat and providing a higher chance of, if not getting the vehicle under control, providing purposeful direction. But once we put aside the issue of potential injury to others, do we make a law that removes a freedom simply under the concept of "saving the taxpayers a chunk of change"? Football was just the example that came off the top of my head that was comparable to motorcycle helmet law intent.
    Why not? We remove freedoms for no other purpose than what some people believe is "improper behavior". At least with laws that save a substantial amount of money without a major loss of freedom everyone benefits, not just the prudes and church goers.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Good great gods! Does no one read? I have said and am saying again! I support the seat belt law! For reasons other than you have put here, but support it none the less. I am making a reference to HELMETS for motorcycles! Leave the bloody seat belts out of it!



    How is it not about safety? For your sake so that you don't have to go back and read it, I will repost my reasoning why it's is within reason for seat belts to be mandated. When you have a seat belt on you are less likely to be thrown around or out of the vehicle. Thus you have a higher chance of either regaining control of the vehicle or of at least enough control to minimize/eliminate harm to others. Therefore it is within reason because you are protecting others from a decision of someone else. This is opposed to the consequences only to one's self if you do not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle.
    It's obvious you've never been a bad accident or have expertise in crash safety. What you are advocating is a secondary benefit, but certainly not the primary purpose of installing seat belts in an automobile. It's plainly obvious that those that promote this premise are using it to support the need for seat belt laws. These technologies are no different than any other safety feature such as putting grounding plugs on electrical machinery or tools. These safety features stand on their own merit based on their original intent, and need no secondary benefit to support their existence. The public has agreed as a whole (based on years of testing and evidence) that these features are beneficial, and have chosen to promote their common use through appropriate laws. Insurance companies have promoted their use through reduced insurance premiums.
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