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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Bogus! I've known people who were thrown off motorcycles.
    And there are people who are ejected from their cars while wearing seatbelts. The point is minimization and difference in practicality of application here. It in no way prevents proper usage of the vehicle by either driver or passengers to wear a seatbelt. It does not create unsafe conditions for a driver or passengers within a vehicle under normal operation to wear a seatbelt. But on a motorcycle, any safety harnesses would create such unsafe conditions. You adapt safety measures for the operation of a vehicle. Motorcycles and cars operate in different ways, eventhough they have the same very basic function, to transport people at relatively high speeds (relative to the speed of a person walking, using an unmotorized vehicle). And there is a reason that it requires a separate license to operate a motorcycle, because they operate differently than cars and have different safety features.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Like I said, in a lot of really bad accidents, seat belts don't play much of a factor in whether you die or not. The only thing the seat belt does is prevent you from being ejected from the vehicle. This line of "logic" is just silly. Sure, a seat belt helps, it is not the end all/be all of safety.
    Really bad accidents. But many accidents aren't really hugely bad. There have been many accidents that were very bad where a seatbelt saved a person's life.

    I've never said the only thing a seatbelt does is prevent a person from being ejected from a vehicle. It is one of many things a seatbelt does. A seatbelt also protects everyone inside the vehicle from a person being thrown into them.

    Nothing is the absolute safety measure, that saves lives all the time. The point of safety measures is to minimize harm and/or damage, not to completely eliminate it. A seatbelt though minimizes the harm to more than just the person wearing it. That was my entire point. It certainly wouldn't eliminate the harm to all, even the person who is wearing it, but it can minimize the potential harm.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So what? If what you claim is the truth, then you would WANT that to apply, regardless of inconvenience. Some people (not me) probably consider it an inconvenience to use their seat belt in their vehicle too. That is a cop out.
    No. I understand the difference between laws that can be easily applied and enforced and those that are just too much to do so. Just as I wouldn't expect anyone to strap their child into a car seat in order to use public transportation despite expecting everyone to do so when using their private cars/trucks.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    The only argument against seatbelt laws are the philisophical ones about infinging on freedoms. The vast numbers of deaths and injury seatbelts have prevented over the years really cannot be rationally argued with.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Bogus! I've known people who were thrown off motorcycles.
    What exactly is bogus; that I grew up in CA or that people should provide sources in debate? I've known people who were thrown off of motorcycles also, this in no way invalidates my argument.

    The only way to make private transportation 100% injury proof...is to ban it, and have public trans only. You seem to be in favor of the opposite, Mad-Max & The Thunder-dome on the freeway. We don't need either extreme, there is reasonable compromise, there is middle ground, and a seat-belt law is an example.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    it can go either way, I know two vegetables that would have died had they not had their helmets on and they would have been better off
    I don't know these people. I can't vouch for their condition. These people you claim to know may exist, and their condition may be as you describe, but since we can't believe everything we read on teh interntz you need to prove it for people you know to matter in the discussion.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a safety issue for those around you. I know of a case where someone was almost killed when someone flew through a windshield into their windshield
    Considering what I know of your posts, it's an odd and contrary position to take IMO.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know these people. I can't vouch for their condition. These people you claim to know may exist, and their condition may be as you describe, but since we can't believe everything we read on teh interntz you need to prove it for people you know to matter in the discussion.
    it is simple really. would you rather be dead or be a vegetable with some wiping your ass for you. As Kevin Costner says:


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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    No, I trust myself to use it when needed, I don't need the libs tellin me.

    i'm NOT a liberal!

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    How do you determine when you are going to need them?
    Quote Originally Posted by lka View Post
    No, I trust myself to use it when needed, I don't need the libs tellin me.
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