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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Wow I made vote 100!

    I used to believe that such a law was rather imposing and as a consenting adult it should be my choice (one I would choice, but mine nonetheless). However, it was pointed out to me that in an accident a seat belt will keep the driver in their seat greatly increasing the odds that they will get the car back under control (assuming that it is possible at all). Thus with that I now see seat belt laws as those which protect me from others. That said I am opposed to the helmet laws because they have no such corresponding safety to me from another.
    I agree with a lot of this, but I am for the helmet laws (motorcycle and bike). Many people are not financially able to be cared for after serious head trauma without major assistance - frequently for life and if they were the breadwinner for the family - that cost escalates. I do not see these laws as "huggy feely save the poor people from themselves" - I see the laws as saving the taxpayers a chunk of change.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    I dont even know how to reply to such a hideous comment.


    Yall in the swamp were fascists. So you needed a nanny state to take control of your lives and teach you that black people are human beings?
    So, you are soooo liberal you have to interject race in to EVERYTHING. Wow.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It's ridiculously common sense.
    Common sense doesn't exist. Source please.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Guess again, I have my truck license.

    I was talking about pickups and personal use trailers obviously.
    Those DOT rules apply to all vehicles transporting cargo.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I sense you are more about looking to argue rather then looking to debate...so we are done here for now.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Was it the law that ingrained it in them or you and your spouse?
    I grew up in CA where seat belts were something you just had to do. It became a habit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord, if you are going to use the "flying bodies as projectiles" argument, then you can't dismiss motorcycles. That is completely intellectually dishonest.
    The motorcyclist was not 'dismissed'.
    The Physics Classroom: Motorcyclist
    But why then are motorcycles not equipped with safety harnesses? Is this a gross oversight made by motorcycle manufacturers? Absolutely not! While no transportation accident is safe, it is the goal of the manufacturers of all roadway vehicles to produce a vehicle which maximizes the safety of its riders. In the case of a motorcycle, it is believed that the rider's safety is maximized by not strapping the rider to the motorcycle. In a car accident, the safest place to be is in the car; yet in a motorcycle accident, the worst place to be is on the motorcycle. The reason?
    Cars are four-wheeled vehicles which have a stable platform capable of resisting sideways motion and resisting tipping over.
    A motorcyclist, even a pedal-bicyclist, learns to 'throw away' the bike in a crash. So motorcycles don't have seat belts similar to why school buses don't have seat belts, there are other safety measures in place (school buses use a system called "compartmentalization").

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Debates based almost solely on theories usually seem a COMPLETE waste of time to me.
    Which is why you need to provide a source if you're going to debate legalizing a schedule 2 stimulant, discus DOT cargo regulations, or seat belts.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I grew up in CA where seat belts were something you just had to do. It became a habit.


    The motorcyclist was not 'dismissed'.

    A motorcyclist, even a pedal-bicyclist, learns to 'throw away' the bike in a crash. So motorcycles don't have seat belts similar to why school buses don't have seat belts, there are other safety measures in place (school buses use a system called "compartmentalization").


    Which is why you need to provide a source if you're going to debate legalizing a schedule 2 stimulant, discus DOT cargo regulations, or seat belts.
    Bogus! I've known people who were thrown off motorcycles.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord, if you are going to use the "flying bodies as projectiles" argument, then you can't dismiss motorcycles. That is completely intellectually dishonest.
    Most of our laws come down to a cost/benefit analysis, rights of one vs either rights of others or safety. But motorcyclists also have restrictions on them that are not placed on those within vehicles (in many states), such as wearing a helmet.

    And there is the practicality of the law as well. Cars and trucks have the ability to have seatbelts, whereas motorcycles don't. It would be kind of like complaining about seat belt laws not applying to city buses, even for children. Practically speaking, buses simply cannot work practically with seat belts without major inconveniences, whereas private vehicles, such as cars and trucks easily work just fine with seatbelts and keep people safe with little to no loss of practical use of that vehicle's purpose.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Obviously you have never seen a really bad car accident victim. They are absolutely mangled, seat belt or no seat belt. Yes, body parts are amputated.
    I explained the situation. If the person lost limbs due to an accident while wearing a seatbelt, then it is unlikely that they would have at all survived without the seatbelt, and pretty likely that more of their body or parts would become projectiles, making the situation worse. This is about minimizing damage.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most of our laws come down to a cost/benefit analysis, rights of one vs either rights of others or safety. But motorcyclists also have restrictions on them that are not placed on those within vehicles (in many states), such as wearing a helmet.

    And there is the practicality of the law as well. Cars and trucks have the ability to have seatbelts, whereas motorcycles don't. It would be kind of like complaining about seat belt laws not applying to city buses, even for children. Practically speaking, buses simply cannot work practically with seat belts without major inconveniences, whereas private vehicles, such as cars and trucks easily work just fine with seatbelts and keep people safe with little to no loss of practical use of that vehicle's purpose.
    So what? If what you claim is the truth, then you would WANT that to apply, regardless of inconvenience. Some people (not me) probably consider it an inconvenience to use their seat belt in their vehicle too. That is a cop out.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I explained the situation. If the person lost limbs due to an accident while wearing a seatbelt, then it is unlikely that they would have at all survived without the seatbelt, and pretty likely that more of their body or parts would become projectiles, making the situation worse. This is about minimizing damage.
    Like I said, in a lot of really bad accidents, seat belts don't play much of a factor in whether you die or not. The only thing the seat belt does is prevent you from being ejected from the vehicle. This line of "logic" is just silly. Sure, a seat belt helps, it is not the end all/be all of safety.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support seat-belt laws because I don't want an ejected body sailing my way. Do what you want with your own self, but when it starts to harm me, I'm going to support laws to curb your behavior a bit.

    On a related note, I do not support helmet laws for adults. It's your noggin so if you want to nominate yourself for a Darwin award by smashing it against the pavement, be my guest.
    it can go either way, I know two vegetables that would have died had they not had their helmets on and they would have been better off

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