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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That's not the point.

    The point is, they will be safer. And it certainly would be safer to wear a helmet and have a 4 point harness in a crash. Then why not use them?

    Because the extra safety is not worth it to the public...or they would demand them.
    A rollbar will most likely not reduce fatalities over modern vehicle design - so, yes, that's the whole point.


    Car safety standards have been rising for decades. Crush zones, offset steering columns, and airbags are just a few of the safety features of modern cars. In time we may well end up with a 4-pt harness assuming it can be shown as much safer than the 3-pt was have now, which includes usage. This thread is addressing part of the problem. You don't even want to make a required 3-pt so why bother talking about a 4-pt? If fewer people would use the 4-pt, then it obviously isn't a good option at this time.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


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    I used to believe that such a law was rather imposing and as a consenting adult it should be my choice (one I would choice, but mine nonetheless). However, it was pointed out to me that in an accident a seat belt will keep the driver in their seat greatly increasing the odds that they will get the car back under control (assuming that it is possible at all). Thus with that I now see seat belt laws as those which protect me from others. That said I am opposed to the helmet laws because they have no such corresponding safety to me from another.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So I completely support a law that turns a safety device into a simple habit. My kids, when they were younger would FREAK OUT if I even pulled out of the driveway without my seat belt on. They've grown up with that. It's a habit they don't even think about now. They get into a car, they put a seat belt on. Period. The law basically caused that habit.
    I'm sure that someone's addressed this already but I'm going to put this out in case they haven't.

    Was it the law that ingrained it in them or you and your spouse? I come from a time before seat belt laws. My brother and I had it ingrained within us long before it was law
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most vehicular laws are about reducing the risk of injury to all. That is it. You cannot prevent all accidents. But you can reduce the chances of someone being hurt or someone causing someone else to get hurt.

    I said that in sheer numbers, more people are hurt from car accidents than motorcycle accidents. Why? Because there are simply a lot more cars on the road and people in cars than there are motorcycles. Motorcycles can only hold 1-2 people, most cars hold at least 4-5, some more. Even trucks can hold at least 2-3 people. But many motorcycle accidents/injuries/deaths are due to other causes as well, such as speeding and/or not wearing a helmet, or worse driving while intoxicated.

    What The Latest NHTSA Fatality Stats Reveal About Motorcycle Safety

    Motorcycle Accident Statistics and Possible Causes - MotorcycleAccident.org

    Don't worry. I support stricter motorcycle safety laws as well though, including mandatory helmet use for all riders.

    Now, I don't have an issue really with seatbelt laws as they are now. (I think NH should at least have a law about it, but eh) I only argue that it is not a violation of anyone's freedom to have seatbelt laws even that cover adults. It saves lives. And possibly even some mental anguish.
    Good Lord, if you are going to use the "flying bodies as projectiles" argument, then you can't dismiss motorcycles. That is completely intellectually dishonest.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The chance of a body part detaching from a body while a person is wearing a seatbelt is extremely small. Plus, since it would be something fairly lightweight, it would also do much less damage than the full body. Now, if an accident is bad enough that it detaches a person's body part from them while they are wearing a seatbelt, then it is highly unlikely that the person not wearing a seatbelt would have fared any better, and would likely have been ejected, causing a much larger projectile leaving the vehicle.
    Obviously you have never seen a really bad car accident victim. They are absolutely mangled, seat belt or no seat belt. Yes, body parts are amputated.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    driving is a privilege. and if you don't wear a seat belt, you can impose costs on others-be it your long term care or the trauma that comes from having your ejected body slamming into their windshield. I am alive today because I always wear a seatbelt-freezing rain froze on contact with extremely cold pavement in 1983. Roadway Truck jackknifed in front of me swinging the trailer into my lane. 60-0 in .1 seconds. all four tires blew due to the impact. only damage-my girlfriend's right breast was a bruised pretty badly from the shoulder strap.
    Hmmm. A libertarian who believes in mandatory seat belt laws? Interesting.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Beats going through the windshield.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Hmmm. A libertarian who believes in mandatory seat belt laws? Interesting.
    its a safety issue for those around you. I know of a case where someone was almost killed when someone flew through a windshield into their windshield



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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord, if you are going to use the "flying bodies as projectiles" argument, then you can't dismiss motorcycles. That is completely intellectually dishonest.
    Great point...I forgot about motorcycles

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A rollbar will most likely not reduce fatalities over modern vehicle design - so, yes, that's the whole point.


    Car safety standards have been rising for decades. Crush zones, offset steering columns, and airbags are just a few of the safety features of modern cars. In time we may well end up with a 4-pt harness assuming it can be shown as much safer than the 3-pt was have now, which includes usage. This thread is addressing part of the problem. You don't even want to make a required 3-pt so why bother talking about a 4-pt? If fewer people would use the 4-pt, then it obviously isn't a good option at this time.
    You are totally missing my point.

    Maybe I am not being clear enough...whatever.

    No offense, but this discussion is WAY past it's 'best buy' date for me.

    Debates based almost solely on theories usually seem a COMPLETE waste of time to me.

    They just go on and on and on and on...

    Good day.

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