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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If absolute safety is the goal - then why not lower speed limits further on highways and in cities? Why not force people to wear helmets when they drive? And give them three point harnesses? And force every car to have a roll bar?
    Helmets won't stop ejections.
    Modern seat belts are three-point and have been for decades. Did you mean four- or five-point?
    I don't know about others but you may as well say mine has a rollbar. It can turn turtle and support it's own weight without collapsing the roof.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Helmets won't stop ejections.
    These points had nothing to do with ejections. But there is almost no way you would not be safer in an ejection if you were wearing a helmet then not.
    Modern seat belts are three-point and have been for decades. Did you mean four- or five-point?
    Sorry, I meant 4/5 point.
    I don't know about others but you may as well say mine has a rollbar. It can turn turtle and support it's own weight without collapsing the roof.
    You obviously have never owned a convertible. I rolled my 'vette convertible and the roof/windshield crushed flat.

    And I have my racing license and am aware of roll bars/cages. There is no way the majority of cars on the road are as safe without a proper roll bar/cage as with...not possible.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I wouldn't be sitting here writing to you all today if I wasn't wearing a seat belt when I was in a major car accident some years ago. Seat belts save lives and anyone who doesn't wear one when they get in a car is an idiot. I also agree with laws that hold the driver responsible for anyone not wearing one in their car.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I do, seat belts are a public safety issue. You do not have the right to operate a motor vehicle, you have the privilege to obtain a license to drive and as such you must abide by laws. The laws are put in place in order to ensure the safe operation of a motor vehicle and prevent death in case of an accident.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If drugs became legal, there cost would drop by at least (imo) 70-80%. People would not need to steal to get high. Instead of $200 to get a good night's high on crack - you would only need about $30...the same as a night out at a bar for some beers. How often do you hear of people stealing money for booze? Not often.

    Almost no one who isn't upper middle class can afford $200/night, a couple times a week, long term. Almost any single adult in America can afford $30 a night, a couple times a week, long term.

    Now, you would probably get a rise in snatch-and-grab crimes. Shoplifting, pickpocketing, etc.. But major drug related crimes would fall drastically. Why risk major jail times when all you need is $20-30 bucks?

    Plus, prostitution would go way down as most escorts work to support a drug habit. And organized crime would be gigantically hit.

    Legalizing drugs would hugely lower crime in America...especially violent/serious drugs crimes.
    And the real life example of a legalized schedule-2 stimulant you want to link to as your source is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    My point is, loads on trucks and trailers offer FAR more of a danger then un-belted bodies flying out of cars (and I still say the chances of that in a modern air-bag equipped car are remote). Make the former safer and then I will worry about the latter.
    There's a metric ton of laws regarding securing loads. DOT is all over that. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's Cargo Securement Rules I take it you have little to no experience working with commercial transports.

    So now that you know that the former is safer, we can get back to seat belts; or did you intend a thread-jack with posts about drugs?
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If absolute safety is the goal -
    That's not the goal.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I do, seat belts are a public safety issue. You do not have the right to operate a motor vehicle, you have the privilege to obtain a license to drive and as such you must abide by laws. The laws are put in place in order to ensure the safe operation of a motor vehicle and prevent death in case of an accident.
    I think it's fair to point out that you don't have to wear a seat belt while on private property. Only while on public roads.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    These points had nothing to do with ejections. But there is almost no way you would not be safer in an ejection if you were wearing a helmet then not.
    Sorry, I meant 4/5 point.
    You obviously have never owned a convertible. I rolled my 'vette convertible and the roof/windshield crushed flat.

    And I have my racing license and am aware of roll bars/cages. There is no way the majority of cars on the road are as safe without a proper roll bar/cage as with...not possible.
    You didn't say cage, which would help stop side intrusions into the passenger compartment - you said "rollbar". Most modern vehicles (ex. convertables) will not collapse on roll over.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You didn't say cage, which would help stop side intrusions into the passenger compartment - you said "rollbar". Most modern vehicles (ex. convertables) will not collapse on roll over.
    That's not the point.

    The point is, they will be safer. And it certainly would be safer to wear a helmet and have a 4 point harness in a crash. Then why not use them?

    Because the extra safety is not worth it to the public...or they would demand them.

    Just like the small added safety to the public of unbelted bodies being ejected from a car in an accident is not worth the intrusion into my personal freedom that seat belt laws are to me.

    And I still have seen no proof that there is anything but an extremely small chance that bodies can be ejected from a modern, fully air bagged car in an accident.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And the real life example of a legalized schedule-2 stimulant you want to link to as your source is.....
    It's ridiculously common sense. You make something legal, it plummets in price.
    You don't believe me...guess how much I care?


    There's a metric ton of laws regarding securing loads. DOT is all over that. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's Cargo Securement Rules I take it you have little to no experience working with commercial transports.

    So now that you know that the former is safer, we can get back to seat belts; or did you intend a thread-jack with posts about drugs?
    Guess again, I have my truck license.

    I was talking about pickups and personal use trailers obviously.

    I sense you are more about looking to argue rather then looking to debate...so we are done here for now.

    Life is too short to waste it on people like you.

    Adios.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-03-14 at 07:43 AM.

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