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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support seat-belt laws because I don't want an ejected body sailing my way. Do what you want with your own self, but when it starts to harm me, I'm going to support laws to curb your behavior a bit.

    On a related note, I do not support helmet laws for adults. It's your noggin so if you want to nominate yourself for a Darwin award by smashing it against the pavement, be my guest.
    That sailing body would argue that he has the right to make the choice that results in him sailing your way.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I do support seat-belt laws because I don't want an ejected body sailing my way. Do what you want with your own self, but when it starts to harm me, I'm going to support laws to curb your behavior a bit.

    On a related note, I do not support helmet laws for adults. It's your noggin so if you want to nominate yourself for a Darwin award by smashing it against the pavement, be my guest.
    You don't like flying bodies? You must want to eliminate motorcycles?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I should be legally able to smoke crack....
    That's gona lead to increased crime, which harms me, so no you shouldn't be allowed to smoke crack.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh, come on now.


    You know exactly what he meant.


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    This is not a chat forum. This is a debate forum. We are here to argue.

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    But not wearing a seat belt does not distract your driving. So it is not a hazard to others.
    Your ejected body is a danger to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    A car shouldn't start until all the passengers have put their seat belts on.
    My aunt had a car like that once. It was a constant annoyance when she would come inside to drop my cousins off, get back in her car and it wouldn't start because the back seat-belts weren't re-buckled before my cousins walked away from the car.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You don't like flying bodies? You must want to eliminate motorcycles?
    I'm actually going for a motorcycle license in a couple months.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm actually going for a motorcycle license in a couple months.
    Congratulations.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's gona lead to increased crime, which harms me, so no you shouldn't be allowed to smoke crack.
    Then make it legal - end of problem.


    Your ejected body is a danger to others.
    And stuff carried in the back of pickup trucks are on trailers are far more dangerous...I don't hear you whining about those.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Then make it legal - end of problem.
    That doesn't solve the problem unless you make crack entirely free and available to everyone. So long as it costs money to obtain, crime will be involved.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Then make it legal - end of problem.
    Making it legal would make it worse. The crime comes from money to buy the next fix. That's when my car and home get burglerized.

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    And stuff carried in the back of pickup trucks are on trailers are far more dangerous...I don't hear you whining about those.
    You didn't ask.

    I believe in securing the load. This means proper chains and binders for heavy equipment, baffles in a tank haling hazardous materials, a ratchet strap every 10ft of cargo on an open bed, a cover if materials can fly out, and yes, seat belts.

    I thought you just wanted to talk about seat belts. My bad.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Making it legal would make it worse. The crime comes from money to buy the next fix. That's when my car and home get burglerized.
    If drugs became legal, there cost would drop by at least (imo) 70-80%. People would not need to steal to get high. Instead of $200 to get a good night's high on crack - you would only need about $30...the same as a night out at a bar for some beers. How often do you hear of people stealing money for booze? Not often.

    Almost no one who isn't upper middle class can afford $200/night, a couple times a week, long term. Almost any single adult in America can afford $30 a night, a couple times a week, long term.

    Now, you would probably get a rise in snatch-and-grab crimes. Shoplifting, pickpocketing, etc.. But major drug related crimes would fall drastically. Why risk major jail times when all you need is $20-30 bucks?

    Plus, prostitution would go way down as most escorts work to support a drug habit. And organized crime would be gigantically hit.

    Legalizing drugs would hugely lower crime in America...especially violent/serious drugs crimes.


    You didn't ask.

    I believe in securing the load. This means proper chains and binders for heavy equipment, baffles in a tank haling hazardous materials, a ratchet strap every 10ft of cargo on an open bed, a cover if materials can fly out, and yes, seat belts.

    I thought you just wanted to talk about seat belts. My bad.
    My point is, loads on trucks and trailers offer FAR more of a danger then un-belted bodies flying out of cars (and I still say the chances of that in a modern air-bag equipped car are remote). Make the former safer and then I will worry about the latter.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-02-14 at 07:39 PM.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    This argument that an unbelted body flying out of a car in an accident is a good reason to make seat belts mandatory?

    First, I find it hard to believe that modern, airbag equipped cars would allow such a thing to happen in an accident except in the fairly extreme instances.

    As for older cars - the odds seem low to me. But I am quite sure there is at least a tiny increase in safety.


    But that is not the point.

    If absolute safety is the goal - then why not lower speed limits further on highways and in cities? Why not force people to wear helmets when they drive? And give them three point harnesses? And force every car to have a roll bar?

    Because there is a balance between safety and freedom.


    And I am not prepared to give up the personal freedom from government intrusion that the (imo) marginal at best safety to other people, that seat belt laws offer.

    Others clearly are prepared to give up that personal freedom.

    Okay.

    Unfortunate (to me)...but okay.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-02-14 at 07:56 PM.

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