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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    We already have mandated laws to protect us from people who make the choice to rob, murder and rape.
    Right, because it is a public safety issue. I believe I said I was fine with that. The question becomes should we be mandated to wear certain protection against such things as the sun for example. If you are outside between certain hours of the day you must wear a light cover around your skin or you get a fine? It certainly would cut down on the millions of skin cancer cases we get each year. The question becomes is education a better avenue or government laws and punishment when it comes to individual choices that protect us?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, because it is a public safety issue. I believe I said I was fine with that. The question becomes should we be mandated to wear certain protection against such things as the sun for example. If you are outside between certain hours of the day you must wear a light cover around your skin or you get a fine? It certainly would cut down on the millions of skin cancer cases we get each year. The question becomes is education a better avenue or government laws and punishment when it comes to individual choices that protect us?
    I think we're talking past each other. How does my putting on suntan lotion protect other people?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think we're talking past each other. How does my putting on suntan lotion protect other people?
    Well it saves cost to the taxpayer? That was one argument for them. Heart disease costs us more. Why not put mandate and fines to control unhealthy behaviors if that is the concern?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well it saves cost to the taxpayer? That was one argument for them. Heart disease costs us more. Why not put mandate and fines to control unhealthy behaviors if that is the concern?
    I'm only interested in the laws that apply to actions that harm other people.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm only interested in the laws that apply to actions that harm other people.
    So am I.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So am I.
    Okaaaayyyyy, then you would agree that seatbelt laws, especially regarding the driver, are a positive thing?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm all for strict laws against drinking/driving/open container and cell phone usage while driving. I also believe in stiff penalties against minors not being buckled. Those are public safety hazards. I'm fine with the laws they have on the books for seat belts now. Yes, there are still places like Maine that still are rebellious against the law but they will have to just believe the punishment is worth the crime of choosing not to put their seat belt on. True the likelihood of more accidents is with a car since it is used more frequently. I'm unsure about the flying body argument. If you think there are high statistics of bodies flying around from cars/vs motorcycles I'd like to see them. The fact is it is more likely for a deadly accident to be the result of motorcycle accident. Yet, we still allow people to take that risk. Same goes for any individual risk we take on a daily basis. There are all sorts of things we can do to prevent those risks (like heart disease, cancer) but should we have mandated laws to protect us from such choices?
    Most vehicular laws are about reducing the risk of injury to all. That is it. You cannot prevent all accidents. But you can reduce the chances of someone being hurt or someone causing someone else to get hurt.

    I said that in sheer numbers, more people are hurt from car accidents than motorcycle accidents. Why? Because there are simply a lot more cars on the road and people in cars than there are motorcycles. Motorcycles can only hold 1-2 people, most cars hold at least 4-5, some more. Even trucks can hold at least 2-3 people. But many motorcycle accidents/injuries/deaths are due to other causes as well, such as speeding and/or not wearing a helmet, or worse driving while intoxicated.

    What The Latest NHTSA Fatality Stats Reveal About Motorcycle Safety

    Motorcycle Accident Statistics and Possible Causes - MotorcycleAccident.org

    Don't worry. I support stricter motorcycle safety laws as well though, including mandatory helmet use for all riders.

    Now, I don't have an issue really with seatbelt laws as they are now. (I think NH should at least have a law about it, but eh) I only argue that it is not a violation of anyone's freedom to have seatbelt laws even that cover adults. It saves lives. And possibly even some mental anguish.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okaaaayyyyy, then you would agree that seatbelt laws, especially regarding the driver, are a positive thing?
    I did in post #429. I'm fine with the laws on the books now even if they are not perfect. Maine pretty much proved that with their stiff penalties, they still have a higher rate of not using seat belts than some places with secondary laws. To me, it seems more of a revenue thing than a hazard to the general public. I wouldn't even lose sleep if the only state in the US that doesn't have seat belt laws continues to do so.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


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    I do support seat-belt laws because I don't want an ejected body sailing my way. Do what you want with your own self, but when it starts to harm me, I'm going to support laws to curb your behavior a bit.

    On a related note, I do not support helmet laws for adults. It's your noggin so if you want to nominate yourself for a Darwin award by smashing it against the pavement, be my guest.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most vehicular laws are about reducing the risk of injury to all. That is it. You cannot prevent all accidents. But you can reduce the chances of someone being hurt or someone causing someone else to get hurt.

    I said that in sheer numbers, more people are hurt from car accidents than motorcycle accidents. Why? Because there are simply a lot more cars on the road and people in cars than there are motorcycles. Motorcycles can only hold 1-2 people, most cars hold at least 4-5, some more. Even trucks can hold at least 2-3 people. But many motorcycle accidents/injuries/deaths are due to other causes as well, such as speeding and/or not wearing a helmet, or worse driving while intoxicated.

    What The Latest NHTSA Fatality Stats Reveal About Motorcycle Safety

    Motorcycle Accident Statistics and Possible Causes - MotorcycleAccident.org

    Don't worry. I support stricter motorcycle safety laws as well though, including mandatory helmet use for all riders.

    Now, I don't have an issue really with seatbelt laws as they are now. (I think NH should at least have a law about it, but eh) I only argue that it is not a violation of anyone's freedom to have seatbelt laws even that cover adults. It saves lives. And possibly even some mental anguish.
    Yes, I agree most motorcycle accidents AND car accidents have to do with speeding, drunk driving and other things that have nothing to do with wearing a seat belt. Yes, the seat belt is more likely to protect you when an accident happens. That is why I'm all for educating the public about such dangers. I think secondary seat belt laws are just fine. It reminds people that there is a law that is in place. Anything more is not necessary but up to the people of that state to decide. Either people are smart enough or dumb enough not to buckle up. I'm also okay with NH making that decision for themselves as far as joining in the seat belt law.

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