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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yes. You're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Carry on.
    Nonresponsive. I'm fairly familiar with your posting history on this forum and have come to expect far, far better of you than this petty evasiveness.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I was hit by a stolen car ( broadsided) at a stop light; I was in the intersection, and the guy in front of me stopped when he heard the police sirens,
    the guy behind me pinned me in with nowhere to go.

    I saw this car barreling at my drivers side ( I was the driver), found out later he was doing 80 mph.
    I just had time to scramble over the middle drive train and rolled into the passenger floor compartment.

    Next thing was a tremendous crash that literally bent my car in 1/2. I had bruises all down my side, but no broken bones. If I had stayed in the drivers side, I would have been dead.
    The car was bent in the shape of a boomerang - it made the nighty news.

    There are a lot of shallow lakes near me, and people drive into them, and drown quite regularly. They panic, and get entangled in their belts.

    Point being: let me decide when to strap in - I do on any road where i'm doing 40 mph or more, not so much on surface streets
    I want to be able to move, or get out quickly, depending on what is happening.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I was hit by a stolen car ( broadsided) at a stop light; I was in the intersection, and the guy in front of me stopped when he heard the police sirens,
    the guy behind me pinned me in with nowhere to go.

    I saw this car barreling at my drivers side ( I was the driver), found out later he was doing 80 mph.
    I just had time to scramble over the middle drive train and rolled into the passenger floor compartment.

    Next thing was a tremendous crash that literally bent my car in 1/2. I had bruises all down my side, but no broken bones. If I had stayed in the drivers side, I would have been dead.
    The car was bent in the shape of a boomerang - it made the nighty news.

    There are a lot of shallow lakes near me, and people drive into them, and drown quite regularly. They panic, and get entangled in their belts.

    Point being: let me decide when to strap in - I do on any road where i'm doing 40 mph or more, not so much on surface streets
    I want to be able to move, or get out quickly, depending on what is happening.
    What you describe is an aberration. Seat belts were never meant, nor could they ever be, a perfect solution. No safety measure can ever be 100%. They merely (greatly) increase the odds that you will survive a crash. If you let this single positive-ending incident dictate your decision, you are a fool.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    One of the stupidest, least enforceable, senseless laws on the books.

    Not wearing your seatbelt is an action without a victim. You may, potentially, hurt yourself by choosing to not wear it.

    That is, quite simply, not an adequate basis for the usage of the state's coercive force.
    You may potentially hurt not only yourself, but others in the car with you and others on the road should you be ejected from your vehicle.

    And since we started ticketing people for not wearing their seat belts, many more people wear them. They are completely enforceable laws.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What you describe is an aberration. Seat belts were never meant, nor could they ever be, a perfect solution. No safety measure can ever be 100%. They merely (greatly) increase the odds that you will survive a crash. If you let this single positive-ending incident dictate your decision, you are a fool.
    The "a seatbelt almost cost me my life" stories always make me think about a tragedy that happened while I was living in Raleigh. This mother and her two under school age children ended up stopped on some train tracks in her SUV. The train came before the light turned. So for whatever reason, the mother instead of moving the SUV, climbed into the back to get her kids out of their car seats. I think someone else tried to help her when they realized what she was doing. She did not succeed. Such an accident does not prompt an immediate end to child safety seats. Plus, how many of those who have such stories as their reasoning, would keep their children unbuckled for that reasoning? After all, an unbuckled child is much easier for parents to grab out of the backseat during an accident and possibly save from injury, than a buckled one.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do you not comprehend the difference between endangering oneself vs endangering others?

    Most people grasp the difference pretty easily. Or, are you simply being mindlessly argumentative to amuse yourself?
    You do endanger others though by not wearing a seatbelt. This is especially true if there is anyone in the car with you. But even by yourself, you take the chance of becoming a human projectile and striking others or them running you over (which is bound to cause some serious psychological damage to most people) should you be ejected from your vehicle because you did not wear your seatbelt.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


    Discuss...
    driving is a privilege. and if you don't wear a seat belt, you can impose costs on others-be it your long term care or the trauma that comes from having your ejected body slamming into their windshield. I am alive today because I always wear a seatbelt-freezing rain froze on contact with extremely cold pavement in 1983. Roadway Truck jackknifed in front of me swinging the trailer into my lane. 60-0 in .1 seconds. all four tires blew due to the impact. only damage-my girlfriend's right breast was a bruised pretty badly from the shoulder strap.



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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    driving is a privilege. and if you don't wear a seat belt, you can impose costs on others-be it your long term care or the trauma that comes from having your ejected body slamming into their windshield. I am alive today because I always wear a seatbelt-freezing rain froze on contact with extremely cold pavement in 1983. Roadway Truck jackknifed in front of me swinging the trailer into my lane. 60-0 in .1 seconds. all four tires blew due to the impact. only damage-my girlfriend's right breast was a bruised pretty badly from the shoulder strap.
    I am all for people wearing their seat belts, as I wear them myself... I just don't think that the government should mandate it.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You do endanger others though by not wearing a seatbelt.
    Not even slightly.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Not even slightly.
    A whole lot. Newton's first law of motion.
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