"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Have you ever tried getting out of hillbilly land and seeing the actual civilised lands beyond the swamp?Have you moved out and started paying your own bills yet?
I was kicked out of home age 17 and probably worked more in my life by now than you ever will!
Now obviously all you are here for is to see the threads go up in flames, so go and find some log in the swamp to bang your head against.
Not if you refused to prevent that harm being inflected on others by safety messures such as seatbelts.Car insurance covers harm done to others.
And insurance is probably not mandetory in the US as it is here.
Do you understand that concept of not wanting to have a projectile of any kind fly at your direction at high speed?
Or do I have to paint you a picture with some bright color crayons which you may understand?
Have a brother who worked as first responder and an uncle who is a court investigator at car accidents.If you say the former, you are either lying or ignorant on this.
I know the numbers pritty well.
20% of all lethal car accidents happen due to lack of seatbelts.
The greatest threat to someones life in traffic today are drivers who dont put enought attention on the road or drive under the influence - thereby killing themselves or those they crash into.
Most leathal victims of car accidents today are people driven over by reckless drivers.
As you wish.I could care less what you believe or what you say your mother's, brother's, best friend's, hairstylist's, aunt's banker says.
So facts are numbers you dont chose to ignore because they are confirm with your opinion.I care about facts.
The ADAC is the organisation that oversees the safety of cars and decides wether they are or are not safe enought to be sold on the German market.Like facts from UNBIASED SOURCES from major studies about the likelihood of unbelted humans flying through windows of >5 year old cars in an accident WITH LETHAL FORCE.
I presented numbers and vids.Or links to unbiased FACTS that there is a greater danger of being injured in an accident from an unbelted human in a >5 year old car then the contents of a typical pickup truck bed?
When you find and present those...then I am interested...not before.
And their are tens of millions of pickup's out there...most have something in the bed...and it's probably not fluffy and light.
You presented 7 lines ranting about how biased everything is.
You so smart! You so good arguments!
selfish not to.
‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).
And even if you aren't knocked unconscious, your face will still be planted in your steering wheel, which isn't a very efficient way to be looking out the windshield.
Until then, life is too short and Saturday's are too few for me to waste them in some pointless back-and-forth debate with you on this.
I say the state has no right to force me to wear a seatbelt. You say it does. Fine.
Why so many of you like these huge, pointless, multi-quote, theoretical debates is beyond me...seems a complete waste of time, IMO.
I say just state your position, why you feel that way, post your facts to back it up, read the facts the other person posted (if any), contemplate, give a summation...move on.
Last edited by DA60; 02-01-14 at 10:16 AM.
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