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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It' is mighty hard for anyone to drive a motor vehicle if they have been knocked unconscious because they weren't wearing their seat belts.
    Not wearing a seatbelt does not knock you out, shrubnos.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What about all the stuff that can be in the back of a pickup? Wood, tools, concrete blocks, whatever. They will potentially do a TON more damage then a flying body.
    Not really, the things in your back seat are more of a threat to the driver and person on the front passenger seat. Only the things on the central back seat have a direct path outside.



    and things loaded on top of a car mostly are a bigger threat to the car or people behing the one you crashed into.

    Dont underestimate any potential projectile. With enough speed crashing into something or having something crash into you, everything is potentialy dangerous. Just remind yourself that a bird can take down a jumbo jet if gets sucked into the turbine.

    And with (I believe) every new car equipped with air bags, how is the body going to get out?
    That depends on the speed of the car. I forgot how fast it was, but at a speed of certainly above 80 km/h you get thrown out.

    At a speed below without seatbelt, the airbag will kill you, since it crushes your ribcage.

    Please show me a crash test video where the dummies were not belted AND they somehow flew out of the car through/over the air bags?
    It`s not the enitre body that flies of. Your head can get smashed to pieces and it`s splinters become projectiles.

    My brother (who worked as an army medic and for the red cross) told me about severed heads, arms, bits of jaws and teeth than can get catapulted out for distance of 40 meters.

    Airbags today mostly prevent the entire body from flying out, and the highest risk is at the central back seat and at the side videos. But it can still happen



    This is an animation used to reenact an accident at a court case



    To fly out of the front you need to reach a certain minimum speed for each different car.

    There are car models out of which you can get catapulted out entirely more likely than others.


    Here is one where they definitely did not:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062865135

    Plus, most cars now come with side air bags as well.
    Airbags simply break your ribs and sometimes even your spine if you dont wear a seatbelt. When driving at high speed it even can rip your head and arms off.

    No.

    The main thing that prevents people from flying out of the car is the glass.

    Which itself becomes a dangerous projectile if it breaks.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I added some to my original post which you didn't get, but I don't think the self-injury argument should be used because the government should never legislate to protect people from themselves, only to protect people from other people. I think there might be enough evidence for the later case, but as I stated, I'd rather see it handled outside of the government, like insurances not paying out if you don't wear your seatbelt. (which is probably already the case). What's scarier, the thought that you might get a little ticket, or the thought that your family won't get your life insurance check if you die without the seatbelt?
    True indeed. Yet, which driver thinks of insurance when driving?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You do not know what car insurance is?
    Dont start to act is if you had something of a highgroun here.

    You simply laberd "There is car insurance!"

    Whilest nmot making any point on how it supposedly insures the use of seatbelts.

    Nothing at all, just a utterly useless mentioning of a word.

    I want to debate here as do most others, and not try to decifer what you mean when you posts sentences containing nothing but 2-4 words!

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    True indeed. Yet, which driver thinks of insurance when driving?
    If they're not thinking about their own safety, or the well-being of their family if they do have a crash, why would they be thinking of a potential ticket?

    And as a side note: children should 100% be required by law to wear seatbelts, as they are not adults who can make their own decisions.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    You simply laberd "There is car insurance!"
    Human skull fragments, from a car wreck, damaging property would be covered by car insurance.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Human skull fragments, from a car wreck, damaging property would be covered by car insurance.
    And you completly miss the point that those skull fragments and projectiles produced by a human body in a car crash are a potential harm to people.


    Are you trolling?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If they're not thinking about their own safety, or the well-being of their family if they do have a crash, why would they be thinking of a potential ticket?

    And as a side note: children should 100% be required by law to wear seatbelts, as they are not adults who can make their own decisions.
    Not just their own safety, but those of others aswell. Someone might ignore ones own safety, but not the safety of others.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    And you completly miss the point that those skull fragments and projectiles produced by a human body in a car crash are a potential harm to people.
    Do you even own a car? Have you moved out and started paying your own bills yet? Car insurance covers harm done to others.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Not really, the things in your back seat are more of a threat to the driver and person on the front passenger seat. Only the things on the central back seat have a direct path outside.



    and things loaded on top of a car mostly are a bigger threat to the car or people behing the one you crashed into.

    Dont underestimate any potential projectile. With enough speed crashing into something or having something crash into you, everything is potentialy dangerous. Just remind yourself that a bird can take down a jumbo jet if gets sucked into the turbine.



    That depends on the speed of the car. I forgot how fast it was, but at a speed of certainly above 80 km/h you get thrown out.

    At a speed below without seatbelt, the airbag will kill you, since it crushes your ribcage.



    It`s not the enitre body that flies of. Your head can get smashed to pieces and it`s splinters become projectiles.

    My brother (who worked as an army medic and for the red cross) told me about severed heads, arms, bits of jaws and teeth than can get catapulted out for distance of 40 meters.

    Airbags today mostly prevent the entire body from flying out, and the highest risk is at the central back seat and at the side videos. But it can still happen



    This is an animation used to reenact an accident at a court case



    To fly out of the front you need to reach a certain minimum speed for each different car.

    There are car models out of which you can get catapulted out entirely more likely than others.




    Airbags simply break your ribs and sometimes even your spine if you dont wear a seatbelt. When driving at high speed it even can rip your head and arms off.

    No.

    The main thing that prevents people from flying out of the car is the glass.

    Which itself becomes a dangerous projectile if it breaks.
    Oh, come on now.

    The smashed pieces of a skull?

    Which would you rather have flying at you...what's left of someone's skull or a re-bar rod that flew out of a pickup bed?

    If you say the former, you are either lying or ignorant on this.


    I care about facts.

    Like facts from UNBIASED SOURCES from major studies about the likelihood of unbelted humans flying through windows of >5 year old cars in an accident WITH LETHAL FORCE.

    Or links to unbiased FACTS that there is a greater danger of being injured in an accident from an unbelted human in a >5 year old car then the contents of a typical pickup truck bed?

    When you find and present those...then I am interested...not before.


    And their are tens of millions of pickup's out there...most have something in the bed...and it's probably not fluffy and light.

    They carry tools and motorcycles and just about anything else that can fit.

    And what about trailers? Lots of people haul heavy things on trailers. What would a pair of ATV's flying off the back of a trailer do compared to 'smashed pieces of skull'?


    Sure, an unbelted body could fly out a window with lethal force - though I think from a side/front air bagged car it is extremely unlikely.

    But I say that the threat from that is far, FAR less then the threat from things people haul in cars, trucks and on trailers.

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