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Thread: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I never argued against seatbelts in the first place, nor will I.

    I've nothing against seatbelts, I just think totalitarianism is evil.
    rephrase: seatbelt regulations

    Amazing that I have to rephrase considering that it is rather obvious what I meant.

    Clearly you are just interested in annoying the piss out of people by being as evasive as possible.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    One of the stupidest, least enforceable, senseless laws on the books.

    Not wearing your seatbelt is an action without a victim. You may, potentially, hurt yourself by choosing to not wear it.

    That is, quite simply, not an adequate basis for the usage of the state's coercive force.
    Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

    Even with a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

    When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the steering wheel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

    Even without a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

    When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the weel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.
    Car insurance exists.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

    Even without a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

    When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the weel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.
    I'm a very liberty oriented individual, and I don't think there can exist a crime without a victim, however I'm quite on the fence on this issue. I don't know the statistics, but if people without seatbelts very regularly become projectiles and dramatically increase the risk to others, I can understand the argument for them. However it should definitely never be more than a very modest fine, and never the possibility of any kind of jail time.

    My decision hinges entirely on the becoming-a-projectile factor, and does not even take into consideration the self-damage done. The state should never legislate to protect one from himself, only to protect one from another. Honestly I'd rather seen it handled outside of government, like "If you crash and don't wear your seatbelt, your life insurance and car insurance won't pay your family a dime".
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm a very liberty oriented individual, and I don't think there can exist a crime without a victim, however I'm quite on the fence on this issue. I don't know the statistics, but if people without seatbelts very regularly become projectiles and dramatically increase the risk to others, I can understand the argument for them. However it should definitely never be more than a very modest fine, and never the possibility of any kind of jail time.
    I know the statistics here, car accident fatalities decreased by 70% after the interduction of seatbelt regulations.

    There are alot of things that people dont know about how dangerous certain behavior can be when driving.

    When driving at 80 km/h and looking at the cellphone for 1 second, you pass a distance of 120 meters on which you dont look at the road.

    At which you can potentialy crash into pritty much anything, from a deer to a child jumping on the road.

    And if you drive without a seatbelt and crash, the airbag is often what kills you, the extreme pressure and speed with which it forces itself against your rapedly approaching chest, breaks your ribbs and crushes your ribcage.

    After which you painfully suffercate on your own blood.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

    Even with a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

    When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the steering wheel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.
    What about all the stuff that can be in the back of a pickup? Wood, tools, concrete blocks, rebar rods, whatever. They will potentially do a TON more damage then a flying body - assuming the latter works it's way outside of a window.
    Plus, what about objects inside the car? Golf clubs, suitcases, whatever?

    And with (I believe) every new car equipped with air bags, how is the body going to get out? I think it is extremely unlikely (though anything is possible) that unbelted humans would fly through windows with lethal force with modern cars equipped with front and side impact air bags.

    Here is an example where they definitely did not:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062865135
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    I know the statistics here, car accident fatalities decreased by 70% after the interduction of seatbelt regulations.

    There are alot of things that people dont know about how dangerous certain behavior can be when driving.

    When driving at 80 km/h and looking at the cellphone for 1 second, you pass a distance of 120 meters on which you dont look at the road.

    At which you can potentialy crash into pritty much anything, from a deer to a child jumping on the road.

    And if you drive without a seatbelt and crash, the airbag is often what kills you, the extreme pressure and speed with which it forces itself against your rapedly approaching chest, breaks your ribbs and crushes your ribcage.

    After which you painfully suffercate on your own blood.
    I added some to my original post which you didn't get, but I don't think the self-injury argument should be used because the government should never legislate to protect people from themselves, only to protect people from other people. I think there might be enough evidence for the later case, but as I stated, I'd rather see it handled outside of the government, like insurances not paying out if you don't wear your seatbelt. (which is probably already the case). What's scarier, the thought that you might get a little ticket, or the thought that your family won't get your life insurance check if you die without the seatbelt?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Car insurance exists.
    What a meaningless phrase.


    Horses exist!

    The sky exists!

    Hair exist!

    Windows exist!



    Are you to incompentent to produce meaningfull phrases?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    What a meaningless phrase.
    You do not know what car insurance is?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Their primary purpose is to reduce injury.



    It' is mighty hard for anyone to drive a motor vehicle if they have been knocked unconscious because they weren't wearing their seat belts.

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