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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    By now, everyone knows the risks of not wearing a seat belt, so if a person still chooses not to wear one it should be their right to do so. I don't have a problem if the government requires people to sign a form saying they understand the dangers of not using their seat belt prior to being issued their drivers license, but since a person not wearing one isn't endangering anyone but themselves, the government has no valid reason to mandate there use.

    The government does however, have a duty to protect the public, including children, from being harmed by the reckless or irresponsible actions of others, but they are not supposed to play mommy and daddy to consenting adults. Freedom means we are supposed to be free to live our lives the way we want, and seat belt laws are a direct contradiction to that.
    IMO, pretty much says it all.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    People, adults, constantly "break" all kinds of laws while driving. They speed, text, talk on phones.......

    If you don't want to wear a seat belt - don't.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Considering that after the introduction in my country, fatalities in car accidents went down by 70%, I believe I have the legitemate right to call everyone who opposes it a fanatic knownothing.
    I agree totally with the idea that everybody should wear seat belts and that insurance policies should be able to price that in.
    But in my opinion you might have the balance between individual freedoms vs state intervention into the affairs of the citizens a little too close to the authoritarian models of the state. This opinion is based more on your choice of words to judge others than on the use of seat belts.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    So when any kind of relationship/comparison between gun license/laws and drivers license/laws gets brought up in gun control threads, the first and immediate response is what?

    Constitutional "right" to own guns.
    Driving is not a "right". It's a privilege.

    That's the mantra isn't it?

    You have a right to do stupid crap all day long. Life threatening crap. Have at it.

    You have complete and total freedom to travel any way you wish.

    Some modes of transportation have more requirements. Others have less.

    If you don't want to wear a seat belt - don't.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I agree totally with the idea that everybody should wear seat belts and that insurance policies should be able to price that in.
    But in my opinion you might have the balance between individual freedoms vs state intervention into the affairs of the citizens a little too close to the authoritarian models of the state. This opinion is based more on your choice of words to judge others than on the use of seat belts.
    A holow phrase.

    Because it doesn`t include a single point or argument against seatbelts and coul be used as a reply against any law there is.

    You could put this phrase in response to an argument for laws agains murder, rape, speeding, fraud, blackmail, harrasment and other common sence laws and it would still only have a selfserving purpose for you because it is utterly holow and without substance.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


    Discuss...
    It is certainly a good question and goes to the essence of what powers we want the government to have over us. This is one of the criteria we need put to every government measure and which we often neglect to give enough weight.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    A holow phrase.

    Because it doesn`t include a single point or argument against seatbelts and coul be used as a reply against any law there is.

    You could put this phrase in response to an argument for laws agains murder, rape, speeding, fraud, blackmail, harrasment and other common sence laws and it would still only have a selfserving purpose for you because it is utterly holow and without substance.
    The examples you chose are all faulty in that the externalities are totally different. Though there are externalities involved with seat belts, they are of so totally different dimension that in using them as examples you can hardly be serious. And to say anyone of different persuasion than you, though it might be a culture thing, is a fanatic? I don't think that very cool.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Seat belt laws are huge attack on liberty and just another way for the government to take money from the productive class and transfer it to the leech class.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    and just another way for the government to take money from the productive class and transfer it to the leech class.
    WTF???

    How exactly is money being "stolen from the rich and given to the poor" through seat belt laws?

    Seriously. Please explain.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    A seatbelt can save a life. It can also take a life. As with pretty much anything there are pro's and con's to it. Just depends on the type of accident that you are in. Generally a head on collision or getting rear ended and it will be a life saver. Getting hit on the drivers side or passenger side (if there is a passenger) and it can kill you. It can also kill you if you get pushed off the road or slide off the road and land in water and become jammed. As such it should be up to the adult to wear one or not.
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