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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    For minors yes, for adults no.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    To not wear a seat belt is silly if you care about your safety. They obviously save lives in a huge way.

    BUT...I do not believe for one second that the government has the right to force you to wear them.

    If I want to further risk my life by not wearing a seat belt...that is my choice.

    Bungy jumping and recreational skydiving are not safe...should the government outlaw them as well? Of course not.

    I should be legally able to smoke crack, jump out of an airplane for fun, not wear a helmet while I ride a motorcycle, not wear seat belts or even kill myself...none of these things on their own are ANY of the government's business.

    If I wish to abuse/subject my body to greater danger...including not wearing seat belts...that should be my choice.
    Seat belts do more than just save your life, they could help avoid an accident by keeping you behind the wheel regardless of what the car does. Obviously you've never been thrown across the front seat because of a violent maneuver you needed to avoid a crash. I have, when I was 16. I've worn seat belts ever since and that was looong before it was required by law.


    My guess is, if the government couldn't make you wear them they'd be part of your auto insurance policy. No seat belt, no coverage.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It is amazingly stupid not to wear seat belts. But I dont see how it harms anyone else unless when ejected from the vehicle the dummy not wearing seatbelts lands on you. I do beleive we should have the right to be stupid if it harms no one else. And it might get rid of a few of them liberterians.
    I have to disagree ... see above post.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    It is because of comments like this that I am 100% percent certain that our species is doomed.
    You have no valid, logical argument so you choose to spew an ad hominem attack.

    Pathetic.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Seat belts do more than just save your life, they could help avoid an accident by keeping you behind the wheel regardless of what the car does. Obviously you've never been thrown across the front seat because of a violent maneuver you needed to avoid a crash. I have, when I was 16. I've worn seat belts ever since and that was looong before it was required by law.


    My guess is, if the government couldn't make you wear them they'd be part of your auto insurance policy. No seat belt, no coverage.
    Fine...when you can show me a major study done by a TOTALLY unbiased organization that categorically proves that driving with a seat belt offers a large and significant (like 25-33%) safety advantage BEFORE an accident, then I might re-think my position.

    Until then, little chance.

    And you and others are missing the point. And it's the same sort of argument with paranoia about terrorism security.

    America is about personal freedom first..not safety.

    Freedom, IMO, should always be the most important thing...safety second. Sure there is always a compromise as you have to have a certain degree of safety rules. But, for me, safety should never impinge on personal freedom and privacy.

    And for me - and obviously not for you - giving the state the right to fine you (and I imagine if you refused to pay the fine, eventually jail you) simply because you are not wearing a strap while you drive that is universally stated to be a personal safety device (as opposed to being a road safety device) is wrong.


    My (a sane adult's) personal safety is NONE of the state's business.

    And I am not interested in debating this point...either you/others get it or you don't.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    You have no valid, logical argument so you choose to spew an ad hominem attack.

    Pathetic.
    The very first reply in this thread is my argument.

    And all you do is scream "TYRANNY!!! NAH BLA BLAH BLA!!!!"

    Are from south of the mason dixon line?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    The very first reply in this thread is my argument.

    And all you do is scream "TYRANNY!!! NAH BLA BLAH BLA!!!!"

    Are from south of the mason dixon line?
    Another ad hominem.

    That's pathetic.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Another ad hominem.

    That's pathetic.
    Considering that you call yourself muhammed and obviously dedicated your presence on a political forum to mocking people you dont even know, you are the last person to call anyone pathetic.

    Now show your arguments against seatbelts, or better show how they cost tax money as you previously claimed.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Considering that you call yourself muhammed and obviously dedicated your presence on a political forum to mocking people you dont even know, you are the last person to call anyone pathetic.

    Now show your arguments against seatbelts, or better show how they cost tax money as you previously claimed.
    I never argued against seatbelts in the first place, nor will I.

    I've nothing against seatbelts, I just think totalitarianism is evil.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    One of the stupidest, least enforceable, senseless laws on the books.

    Not wearing your seatbelt is an action without a victim. You may, potentially, hurt yourself by choosing to not wear it.

    That is, quite simply, not an adequate basis for the usage of the state's coercive force.

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