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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do momentum and kinetic energy apply to consenting adults?
    That's ridiculous... Look, I not only think people should wear seat belts, but I myself wear them and even if there wasn't a law requiring me to, I would still do so. This isn't a question of safety either, because we all know that wearing them is by far the smart move. The issue here is about freedom... Freedom to live your life the way you want too. As long as a person isn't endangering other people, then they should be able make the choice for themselves on things like seat belts. That goes for wearing helmets for motorcycles and bicycles too.

    We live the first 18 years of our lives under the supervision of our parents. We follow their rules and they teach us the things we need to know, so when we go out on our own we can not only survive in this world, but hopefully thrive as responsible, productive adults. When a person grows up and leaves the nest, their parents no longer make the rules for them. The strings are cut and it's their turn to make their own decisions, good or bad, and take responsibility for themselves. That's what being an adult in a free country is all about.

    I don't know about you all, but I'm an adult and I take responsibility for my actions. I don't need, nor do I want the government to step in and play mommy and daddy for me. Our government is not God or the all knowing man behind the curtain, it's made up of people just like you and I. They should no more be allowed to punish me for not wearing my seat belt, than my parents could. I do think it's the governments role to educate people on things like the safety behind wearing seat belts, but that's as far as it should go.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Reckless endangerment is a thing. I don't know if what you were doing would qualify because I know too little of the facts surrounding your speeding incident, but you don't have to cause harm first before you're arrested/cited for behavior that could likely lead to it.

    There are, unfortunately, blind spots in this regard in crime, but mostly that's the case.
    Reckless endangerment is crap. You can't show that a harm occurred, so you go with some idiotic idea that people are endangering people by doing a certain thing. Meh..

    Legally or according to your principles?
    Legally he can ask, but there is no reason for him to do so, just like there is no argument to be made that people should be required to have a permit.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That's ridiculous... Look, I not only think people should wear seat belts, but I myself wear them and even if there wasn't a law requiring me to, I would still do so. This isn't a question of safety either, because we all know that wearing them is by far the smart move. The issue here is about freedom... Freedom to live your life the way you want too. As long as a person isn't endangering other people, then they should be able make the choice for themselves on things like seat belts. That goes for wearing helmets for motorcycles and bicycles too.

    We live the first 18 years of our lives under the supervision of our parents. We follow their rules and they teach us the things we need to know, so when we go out on our own we can not only survive in this world, but hopefully thrive as responsible, productive adults. When a person grows up and leaves the nest, their parents no longer make the rules for them. The strings are cut and it's their turn to make their own decisions, good or bad, and take responsibility for themselves. That's what being an adult in a free country is all about.

    I don't know about you all, but I'm an adult and I take responsibility for my actions. I don't need, nor do I want the government to step in and play mommy and daddy for me. Our government is not God or the all knowing man behind the curtain, it's made up of people just like you and I. They should no more be allowed to punish me for not wearing my seat belt, than my parents could. I do think it's the governments role to educate people on things like the safety behind wearing seat belts, but that's as far as it should go.
    This is straight-up yelling fire in a crowded theater territory.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is straight-up yelling fire in a crowded theater territory.
    No it isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Reckless endangerment is a thing.
    Nope, he was not ticketed for that. Try and stay on topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It was an example of momentum and inertia affecting the driver.
    Which occurred after, which is not your argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Look, if seventh grade science wasn't taught at your school there isn't actually any need to go back and take it.
    Does "seventh grade science" prove your claim? Of course not.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    This side of the pond, we have "policing by consent", but "consenting adults" is a term largely restricted to discussion of sexual mores.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This side of the pond, we have "policing by consent", but "consenting adults" is a term largely restricted to discussion of sexual mores.
    That's actually the case here too, but I knew what he meant.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is straight-up yelling fire in a crowded theater territory.
    What? This is about allowing people to make their own decisions concerning their own lives. I don't need the government to protect me from myself, and it's not their place to do so.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where is the intent to invade the person or property of another?
    We have plenty of laws based on safety of others. Speed limits are one. Texting/distracted driving bans is another. Not all laws are based on an intention to do harm to others, but simply the ability to do harm to others due to actions that a person can control and where controlling those actions will not cause undue hardships to anyone.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What? This is about allowing people to make their own decisions concerning their own lives. I don't need the government to protect me from myself, and it's not their place to do so.
    I'm not arguing from the position of protecting yourself from yourself. If it was I'd have very little interest in even participating in this thread.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm not arguing from the position of protecting yourself from yourself.
    You are arguing that people lose control because they do not wear their seatbelt, which is false.

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