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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Nope, I think they're a hoax.
    Believe = Support, In favor of.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Believe = Support, In favor of.
    No, Believe != support.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh, come on now.

    You know exactly what he meant.

    This is a chat forum, not a dissertation.
    Lexical infantilism none the less. Turn adjectives into adverbs or nouns into adverbs or adjectives if it helps you get your point across. Make typos if you're trying to type fast. But for pete's sake, don't use believe in all things that are "up for debate" or people think (or believe) that they are up for debate.

    It's the same problem with people saying "do you believe in evolution"? "do you believe that the universe is geocentric?", do you believe that the government has the right to collect taxes, do you believe that bla bla bla. Things that are tangible, real, proven... ah... in existence and such, don't come in a "believe or not believe" sort of format for the discussion because that way, you end up nowhere. "Oh, I believe this and it's my right to believe whatever I want and that makes my opinion as valid as yours". No it doesn't. So put the format in the correct setting: "Do you think it's right?/Do you think it's logical?/Do you think we can change this?". THINK, not believe. It begs for informed opinions instead of opinions.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Lexical infantilism none the less. Turn adjectives into adverbs or nouns into adverbs or adjectives if it helps you get your point across. Make typos if you're trying to type fast. But for pete's sake, don't use believe in all things that are "up for debate" or people think (or believe) that they are up for debate.

    It's the same problem with people saying "do you believe in evolution"? "do you believe that the universe is geocentric?", do you believe that the government has the right to collect taxes, do you believe that bla bla bla. Things that are tangible, real, proven... ah... in existence and such, don't come in a "believe or not believe" sort of format for the discussion because that way, you end up nowhere. "Oh, I believe this and it's my right to believe whatever I want and that makes my opinion as valid as yours". No it doesn't. So put the format in the correct setting: "Do you think it's right?/Do you think it's logical?/Do you think we can change this?". THINK, not believe. It begs for informed opinions instead of opinions.
    I have a suggestion for you that I give without a shred of hostility...

    LIGHTEN UP.


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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I freely admit to my GIGANTIC hypocrisy here, but yes, I fully support seat belt laws for adults while I'm 100% against helmet laws for motorcycle riders over the age of 21.

    People in cars are constantly "distracted" by all kinds of crap. Think about all the stuff people do while driving a car.

    smoke
    talk on phone
    text
    shave
    apply make-up
    pop zits
    futz with radio/cd player
    eat
    drink
    dance and/or play drums or air guitar
    sing
    open and close windows
    adjust heat or a/c
    read maps
    futz with gps

    and then there's the distractions of passengers - like children or pets.....

    So many people are not truly paying attention when they drive a car.
    They're multi-tasking.

    So I completely support a law that turns a safety device into a simple habit. My kids, when they were younger would FREAK OUT if I even pulled out of the driveway without my seat belt on. They've grown up with that. It's a habit they don't even think about now. They get into a car, they put a seat belt on. Period. The law basically caused that habit.

    So on the basic theory that a law has "groomed", or hell, even brainwashed my children into doing something so simple, yet so potentially life-saving, I'm 100% supportive of seat belt laws for ALL.

    And really - is it any inconvenience at all?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I freely admit to my GIGANTIC hypocrisy here, but yes, I fully support seat belt laws for adults while I'm 100% against helmet laws for motorcycle riders over the age of 21.

    People in cars are constantly "distracted" by all kinds of crap. Think about all the stuff people do while driving a car.

    smoke
    talk on phone
    text
    shave
    apply make-up
    pop zits
    futz with radio/cd player
    eat
    drink
    dance and/or play drums or air guitar
    sing
    open and close windows
    adjust heat or a/c
    read maps
    futz with gps

    and then there's the distractions of passengers - like children or pets.....

    So many people are not truly paying attention when they drive a car.
    They're multi-tasking.

    So I completely support a law that turns a safety device into a simple habit. My kids, when they were younger would FREAK OUT if I even pulled out of the driveway without my seat belt on. They've grown up with that. It's a habit they don't even think about now. They get into a car, they put a seat belt on. Period. The law basically caused that habit.

    So on the basic theory that a law has "groomed", or hell, even brainwashed my children into doing something so simple, yet so potentially life-saving, I'm 100% supportive of seat belt laws for ALL.

    And really - is it any inconvenience at all?
    But not wearing a seat belt does not distract your driving. So it is not a hazard to others. And the only time it comes into play, is when the car is already hitting something else.


    I don't have a problem with seat belt laws for children...but not for adults.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I can't ever remember being in a car without my seatbelt on. I put it on automatically. When i was younger my dad wouldn't even start the car up until we "buckled up", it's just something we've always done.

    All children and infants should always be correctly restrained, no matter your individual personal beliefs.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    It is amazingly stupid not to wear seat belts. But I dont see how it harms anyone else unless when ejected from the vehicle the dummy not wearing seatbelts lands on you. I do beleive we should have the right to be stupid if it harms no one else. And it might get rid of a few of them liberterians.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    By now, everyone knows the risks of not wearing a seat belt, so if a person still chooses not to wear one it should be their right to do so. I don't have a problem if the government requires people to sign a form saying they understand the dangers of not using their seat belt prior to being issued their drivers license, but since a person not wearing one isn't endangering anyone but themselves, the government has no valid reason to mandate there use.

    The government does however, have a duty to protect the public, including children, from being harmed by the reckless or irresponsible actions of others, but they are not supposed to play mommy and daddy to consenting adults. Freedom means we are supposed to be free to live our lives the way we want, and seat belt laws are a direct contradiction to that.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, Believe != support.
    It does as far as this thread is concerned... FFS stop being an ass.

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