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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You said in post #173 "You have no idea what I know of the subject." Did you mean to imply that that you know even less about physics than we initially suspected?
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    He lost control over his car due to not wearing a seatbelt? How does that happen exactly?
    Control of a vehicle can be lost whether the occupant is restrained or not. The need for seat belts isn't nor has it ever been substantiated by what happens outside the vehicle, but by what happens inside the vehicle.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fortunately for us, seatbelt laws are made by those who are more interested in physics than you are.
    Nope, they are not interested at all in physics and how it relates to seatbelt laws.

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    Ah, well I'll remember next time another driver plows into me when he loses control of his vehicle due to not wearing a seatbelt to ask him if his act was virtuous or vicious.
    That does not occur. Not wearing a seatbelt does not make a person lose control.

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    Fortunately, those things are better understood by people making such laws.
    Nope. Lawmakers almost always have absolutely no knowledge on the things they regulate.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fortunately for us, seatbelt laws are made by those who are more interested in physics than you are.
    Unfortunately for us, those in government understand intent just as well as you do.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fortunately for us, seatbelt laws are made by those who are more interested in physics than you are.
    Especially the bio-physics inside our bodies.
    I had a squeamish way to scare my Physics students into wearing the seat belt.

    Besides, it's a fine, they stop you, and then they might smell reefer and stuff.
    And I would say that too .
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    If you were asking about ticketing adults for not having a seatbelt on when alone in their own car, I'd say that always bothered me in a weird way . I find it odd, if anything. I have the right to put myself in that sort of danger, crude as it sounds. While I don't think it's some sort of subversive plot for a citizen's money, it is a waste of money for people that are otherwise minding their own business and following the law (for the most part, anyway). BUT, again, it's for your own good and saves MANY lives. So, it's a small price to pay for your life.

    Still, you should have worded this question better.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Nope. Lawmakers almost always have absolutely no knowledge on the things they regulate.
    Especially Doctors like Senators Coburn and Paul, as well as former Sen. Frist .
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not so. You are required to wear a seat belt (only if you drive/ride on public roadways) not only for your own good but for the increased safety of others. Seat belts help keep the vehicle's occupants inside the vehicle instead of allowing them to become projectiles, ejected upon impact. These belts also help to keep the vehicle operator in a position to try to control the vehicle after the initial impact, helping to avoid secondary collisions, on our busy roadways. Having a damaged vehicle (or two) in the path of other motorists is bad enough, but adding one (or more) ejected people to the accident scene increases the danger to other motorists as they try to avoid adding themselves to the pile up.
    Oh come on now.

    So, the two reasons I should wear seat belts are 1) so I do not become a projectile upon impact and 2) so that I can control the vehicle after the initial collision?

    1) So I am driving in my car and another car hits me head on hard enough that my un-belted body (btw - I ALWAYS wear belts and I helmet when I ride a motorcycle) is going to go flying through my front window and hit the other car? How? Both cars probably have airbags which are deployed. So my body is going to have such force behind it that I can somehow fly through my deployed airbag (which is designed to stop a body from hitting the steering wheel - let alone flying out the front windshield), fly through my reinforced windscreen, fly straight through the other cars reinforced windscreen and also fly through the other person's deployed airbag to injure them?
    Once again - come on now.

    And if neither car has airbags - the odds of my body flying out the window at just the right angle so that I fly right into him is remote. But even if it happened. If a guy hits me head on hard enough that my body flies through my reinforced windshield, smashes through his reinforced windshield and hits him with enough force to do damage - I guarantee you it will be negligible compared to the damage my 1.5/2 ton car will do to him that hits his car - head on - with enough force to do the above.

    and 2) The secondary collision. How often does that happen? Most accidents I know of are either one hit and then the fall out OR one hit and then a ricochet into another. I highly doubt that anything but the tinniest fraction of accidents involve a hard initial collision and then the car keeps driving AND is steerable AND the driver is still somehow alert enough to avoid a second accident.

    You are dealing with remote chances.

    Not enough - for me - to allow the government to force me to wear seat belts.

    You disagree - fine.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Control of a vehicle can be lost whether the occupant is restrained or not. The need for seat belts isn't nor has it ever been substantiated by what happens outside the vehicle, but by what happens inside the vehicle.
    Fortunately you can test this out for yourself. First, find a big, empty parking lot to drive in where you won't hurt anyone else (or anything) and do a little experiment. Accelerate to 35mph and turn sharply to the left, once while wearing your seatbelt, once without, and you tell me which instance you're in better control of your vehicle. During the instance where you're not wearing the seatbelt, imagine that there are other drivers and pedestrians in close proximity to you.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Do air-bags work better or worse with seat-belts not on?
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Unfortunately for us, those in government understand intent just as well as you do.
    Do you disable your air bags ?
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh come on now.

    So, the two reasons I should wear seat belts are 1) so I do not become a projectile upon impact and 2) so that I can control the vehicle after the initial collision?

    1) So I am driving in my car and another car hits me head on hard enough that my un-belted body (btw - I ALWAYS wear belts and I helmet when I ride a motorcycle) is going to go flying through my front window and hit the other car? How? Both cars probably have airbags which are deployed. So my body is going to have such force behind it that I can somehow fly through my deployed airbag (which is designed to stop a body from hitting the steering wheel - let alone flying out the front windshield), fly through my reinforced windscreen, fly straight through the other cars reinforced windscreen and also fly through the other person's deployed airbag to injure them?
    Once again - come on now.

    And if neither car has airbags - the odds of my body flying out the window at just the right angle so that I fly right into him is remote. But even if it happened. If a guy hits me head on hard enough that my body flies through my reinforced windshield, smashes through his reinforced windshield and hits him with enough force to do damage - I guarantee you it will be negligible compared to the damage my 1.5/2 ton car will do to him that hits his car - head on - with enough force to do the above.

    and 2) The secondary collision. How often does that happen? Most accidents I know of are either one hit and then the fall out OR one hit and then a ricochet into another. I highly doubt that anything but the tinniest fraction of accidents involve a hard initial collision and then the car keeps driving AND is steerable AND the driver is still somehow alert enough to avoid a second accident.

    You are dealing with remote chances.

    Not enough - for me - to allow the government to force me to wear seat belts.

    You disagree - fine.
    The air bag will not stop you from impacting the windshield.
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