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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Physics is just that, physics. It has nothing to do with intent. Prove intent.
    Is it your position that if intent is not malicious then momentum and inertia will not apply to a driver turning at 30MPH?

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Prove inertia?
    Do guys seriously not understand intent?

    Intent-

    1. Something that is intended; an aim or purpose.
    2. Law The state of one's mind at the time one carries out an action.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


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    I believe in them, but not for your reason.

    To me, it is not a "for your own good" issue.

    It is for the good of the state.

    If the person dies and leaves a family behind - the state may have to shell out big bucks to help that family get by.

    If the person lives, but has injures immensely more devastating because of the lack of seatbelt - most patients may not be able to afford the care. Health insurance companies will be on the hook for amazing amounts of money. The person may need lifetime resources from the state - and this may affect his/her entire family.

    I was in a major car accident in 2005. Cars spinning and flipping on a major interstate. Everyone (including the person who caused the mess) in seatbelts. My major injury was a dislocated thumb and fractured wrist.When my doctor saw all the bruising across my neck and chest and abdomen - (path of the seatbelt) -his comment was that the seatbelt likely saved my life or at least from major injury. I care for an elderly mother and have a special needs son - figure out the impact on the state from there.

    That same line of reasoning goes for motorcycle and bicycle helmets.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Is it your position that if intent is not malicious then momentum and inertia will not apply to a driver turning at 30MPH?
    If you can't prove intent all you have is nothing.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do guys seriously not understand intent?

    Intent-

    1. Something that is intended; an aim or purpose.
    2. Law The state of one's mind at the time one carries out an action.
    No, we know what intent is. We just also know that physics is a cold, unfeeling bastard that doesn't care very much about it.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, we know what intent is. We just also know that physics is a cold, unfeeling bastard that doesn't care very much about it.
    Yeah, but you apparently aren't aware that law cares about it.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you can't prove intent all you have is nothing.
    Okay, then prove intent of momentum, inertia and kinetic energy...since you're so about intent.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay, then prove intent of momentum, inertia and kinetic energy...since you're so about intent.
    Those things don't have intent and I have no reason to debate about such things.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, but you apparently aren't aware that law cares about it.
    Youre right, law does care about physics, and that's why we have seat belt laws.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is because the maxim of the law is that there can be no crime without a criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. No one can prove intent here.
    Here?
    As to the many cases, where externalities bite, the people realize the or at least a potential negative impact even, when the perpetrator does not know the damaged nor the exact damage.

    PS: I am not so sure that punishment requires malign intent.

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