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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

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    Got a link for that?
    Already provided in post #44.

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    Even if that is true, the fact is that you are much safer when you do wear a seat belt. Seat belts save thousands of lives every year in the US, and while yes they can be faulty, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't wear a seat belt every time you get into your car. If is much more likely for you to die because of not wearing a seat belt than because of a faulty seat belt. You are much safer wearing a seat belt than no seat belt at all.

    Hell, you can choke and die while eating vegetables, doesn't mean you shouldn't eat them.
    As I've said before, it has its pro's and con's. As such it should be up to the individual. Would you mandate that people eat thier veggies? After all, not eating veggies can result in bad health. Which, as Wiseone pointed out in regards to seatbelts and can be applied here as well....can cost you tax money.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Already provided in post #44.



    As I've said before, it has its pro's and con's. As such it should be up to the individual. Would you mandate that people eat thier veggies? After all, not eating veggies can result in bad health. Which, as Wiseone pointed out in regards to seatbelts and can be applied here as well....can cost you tax money.
    The key to that is faulty. Anything that is faulty can be dangerous, but you are much better off with a seat belt than you are without one.

    Seat belt laws save lives, and it should be law that everyone should wear a seat belt.

    Also, just looked at your link and I'm not impressed. It's not sourced and I've never heard of the website before.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm argueing for limited government regulation. Not "reasonable". Not "some". Limited.
    Not reasonable? In other words you'd rather see the wrong thing done that there being "too much" government regulation. Either you're arguing for the correct scope and scale of regulation (which should reasonable by definition) or you're not. The only difference of opinion we should be having here is whether any given regulation is actually reasonable or not (and on seatbelts we'll probably have to agree to differ).

    Any individual regulation or law just be discussed entirely on it's own merits (which can include aspects like personal freedom), not dismissed regardless of those merits just because you think there are too many other regulations already. It's like deciding we should only have 100 laws and if rape turns out to be law 101, that's just tough luck for rape victims. We should actually have as many laws as is required to cover what needs to be covered (though no more). If that's 50, 100 or 500, so be it. The idea that you can determine before hand how many laws are too many is silly.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

    Do you believe in seat belt laws?

    a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
    b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


    Discuss...
    I voted no. I don't really think these are real laws. I bet if you got a ticket for failure to wear a seat belt and refused to pay it, it would get dropped.

    Georgia was one of the first states to have seat belt laws and that was back in the 80's. Nobody has ever challenged these laws to my knowledge. Just think how difficult it would be to challenge the seat belt law.

    First: You have to ride around without wearing a seat belt which is dumb.
    Second: You have to get caught by a police officer for not wearing a seat belt.
    Third: The cop has to write you a ticket for failure to wear a seat belt.
    Fourth: You have to refuse to pay the fine which is dumb. Yes it's patriotic to protest oppressive laws but protesting annoying laws just probably isn't going to feel like it's worth it to the average hero-type personality.
    Fifth: The courts have to refuse to dismiss the charges. This is dumb. All they have to do is rip up the ticket to screw you over.
    Sixth: You have to find a lawyer that cares enough to challenge an annoying law rather than an oppressive law.

    These aren't real laws but the states know that in order to keep these laws in place they can't be strictly enforced. I hope that makes sense.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    I said "yes" because todays cars have air bags. If you use an airbag without a seat belt, you will more than likely die from the airbag.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The key to that is faulty. Anything that is faulty can be dangerous, but you are much better off with a seat belt than you are without one.

    Seat belt laws save lives, and it should be law that everyone should wear a seat belt.
    And getting rid of fast food restaruants and junk food would save lives also. Should we get rid of them? That would save even more lives that the 255 thousand some odd people that have been saved due to seatbelt use since 1975. Policy Impact: Seat Belts People would be better off.....right?

    Point is...don't people have a right to determine how they live and what risks they take?
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    And really - is it any inconvenience at all?
    I think this is the reason these laws have been able to survive for so long. It is more inconvenient to challenge the law than it is to comply.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And getting rid of fast food restaruants and junk food would save lives also. Should we get rid of them?
    Sounds like an interesting discussion for a new thread. I bet you will see arguments on both sides.

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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Not reasonable? In other words you'd rather see the wrong thing done that there being "too much" government regulation. Either you're arguing for the correct scope and scale of regulation (which should reasonable by definition) or you're not. The only difference of opinion we should be having here is whether any given regulation is actually reasonable or not (and on seatbelts we'll probably have to agree to differ).

    Any individual regulation or law just be discussed entirely on it's own merits (which can include aspects like personal freedom), not dismissed regardless of those merits just because you think there are too many other regulations already. It's like deciding we should only have 100 laws and if rape turns out to be law 101, that's just tough luck for rape victims. We should actually have as many laws as is required to cover what needs to be covered (though no more). If that's 50, 100 or 500, so be it. The idea that you can determine before hand how many laws are too many is silly.
    What is reasonable to you? What is reasonable to me? Some people think that it is perfectly reasonble to ban all guns. Others think that it is perfectly reasonable to ban certain kinds of "hate" speech. This is why I said "not reasonable". What is and isn't reasonable is entirely subjective.

    Also when I say "limited" I'm talking about in scope. Not in totality.
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    Re: Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    People, adults, constantly "break" all kinds of laws while driving. They speed, text, talk on phones.......

    If you don't want to wear a seat belt - don't.
    I agree. I don't think these laws are strictly enforced. I bet they'd drop the ticket if you asked nicely.

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