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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they actually work the bugs out of the ACA…
    If you're going to base anything on such a ridiculous fantasy as this, why not go all the way with it.

    Instead of believing that there is any way that the ObamaCare scam will ever be “fixed” so that it actually has a positive effect rather than a destructive effect, why don't you just make up some fantasy that is based on magical faeries riding in on unicorns, waving their magic wands over us, and magically ending all illness, injury, poverty, war, crime, and other causes of human suffering? I'll even let you include, in such a fantasy, some way that the Democrats get to take credit for it.
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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe if the Republicans keep harping on the "social conservative" issues you speak of, and the Democrats are seen as the party of big government, the voters will get tired of them both and elect some libertarians.

    Probably not, but we can dream, can't we?
    I would love to see Libertarians in control at the federal level.

    Though I have some significant disagreement with some policies that unavoidably follow from pure libertarianism, I expect that any libertarian will agree with me that those areas where I am in disagreement with libertarian polices are areas where, per the Tenth Amendment, the federal government has no business being involved anyway.

    But realistically, don't see any gain from voting for libertarians. The fact is that there are two parties in power. Whatever strengthens one of these parties weakens the other, and whatever weakens one, strengthens the other.

    It's terrible that the situation must be looked at in such a negative way,but really, at this point, the important thing is to weaken the Democratic party, in order to limit the damage that they can do, and to try to undo as much as possible of the damage that they have already done. The ObamaCare scandal is really the key to all of this.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they actually work the bugs out of the ACA that soon, then it will be the Republicans who will take a hit, but, then, they'll start convincing the voters that the whole thing was their idea, or that the fixes were all made by Republicans.

    If it remains the mess it is now, then it will be the Democrats who take a hit, but, they'll blame the Republicans for the continued mess.

    and, whether the Senate remains Democrat or goes Republican, nothing much will change. The same BS will continue to issue from Congress, and that august body will continue to earn single digit approval ratings.
    This (bold mine). There was a recent story about a bill the Republicans proposed to fix problems with the ACA, and I saw the writing on the wall. Much of the rhetoric has been that the Republicans' greatest fear of Democrats passing a health insurance overhaul bill is that the Republicans would be unelectable for the next two generations, which I always thought was nonsense because there would be nothing to stop them from just taking credit for it anyway.

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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This (bold mine). There was a recent story about a bill the Republicans proposed to fix problems with the ACA, and I saw the writing on the wall.
    In fact it was their idea.

    It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

    It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer .. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

    It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.
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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I would love to see Libertarians in control at the federal level.

    Though I have some significant disagreement with some policies that unavoidably follow from pure libertarianism, I expect that any libertarian will agree with me that those areas where I am in disagreement with libertarian polices are areas where, per the Tenth Amendment, the federal government has no business being involved anyway.

    But realistically, don't see any gain from voting for libertarians. The fact is that there are two parties in power. Whatever strengthens one of these parties weakens the other, and whatever weakens one, strengthens the other.

    It's terrible that the situation must be looked at in such a negative way,but really, at this point, the important thing is to weaken the Democratic party, in order to limit the damage that they can do, and to try to undo as much as possible of the damage that they have already done. The ObamaCare scandal is really the key to all of this.
    You seem to think that there really is a big difference between the Tweedledeeblicans and the Tweedledumocrats. If you listen to their rhetoric, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Watching what they do, however, is likely to lead to quite a different conclusion.

    The maddening thing is that, if you actually list issues, most voters would agree with the libertarian stance that:
    the purpose of government is to protect our rights, not to protect us from ourselves,
    the government is not in control of the economy, or at least, shouldn't be.
    the second amendment means what it says,
    if you don't like abortion, don't get one,
    if you disagree with gay marriage, don't enter into one,
    your freedom ends where my nose begins,
    trying to be the world's cop is not in our best interests,
    the central government is bigger and more powerful than it needs to be,
    the war on drugs is not working,

    and probably several more I can't think of right now.
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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    In fact it was their idea.

    It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

    It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer .. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

    It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.
    And gone will be the "Not one Republican voted for the bill!" cry we hear in most of these discussions.

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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Not if you pay attention to Gov. Beshear in Kentucky.
    I'm promoting him to #1 challenger to Hillary.
    Steve is far more popular than McConnell or surprisingly Paul in KY, who are barely above BHO.
    McConnell may need some KY when Grimes and Beshear get done with him .
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You may be right, the senate hinges on what happens in the coming months with obamacare. So far it looks like it will just get worse.
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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You seem to think that there really is a big difference between the Tweedledeeblicans and the Tweedledumocrats. If you listen to their rhetoric, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Watching what they do, however, is likely to lead to quite a different conclusion.

    The maddening thing is that, if you actually list issues, most voters would agree with the libertarian stance that:
    the purpose of government is to protect our rights, not to protect us from ourselves,
    the government is not in control of the economy, or at least, shouldn't be.
    the second amendment means what it says,
    if you don't like abortion, don't get one,
    if you disagree with gay marriage, don't enter into one,
    your freedom ends where my nose begins,
    trying to be the world's cop is not in our best interests,
    the central government is bigger and more powerful than it needs to be,
    the war on drugs is not working,

    and probably several more I can't think of right now.
    I tend to agree but right now I hate dems more than reps. Sad that it has come to that but there it is.

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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    it should. My insurance was one of the best, now it is barely a turd

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    Re: Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    In fact it was their idea.

    It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

    It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer
    .. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

    It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.
    Can you source that? News to me.

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