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Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 42.4%
  • No

    Votes: 32 48.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 6 9.1%

  • Total voters
    66
Ummm yes you do believe in rights, just not for others. You believe in the Right to keep and bear arms dontcha? Free speech and the right to not associate with any female working instead of mopping the kitchen floor....

No. I believe in PRIVILEGES, not Rights. I've been over that many times before.
 
As much as some people might be annoyed by this, there are people and organisations out there who I believe deserve it more.

Dames de blanco - a Cuban opposition movement founded by the wifes of political prisoners.

A state prosecuter in Panama who is the only prosecuter in that country who had the balls to prosecute drug cartels in the past years.

And then there is this Congolese doctor who for several year opend up and administered tent hospitals in some of the worst African warzones.
 
You make a mistake if you think I WANT the US dealing with these other countries to begin with. These countries kicking us out and refusing to do business with us would be GREAT so far as I'm concerned.
Uh, yes? If you want to experience "refusing to do business," perhaps you'd be interested in experiencing first-hand the economic conditions of Cuba or Iran?

No smart American should have any more faith in this Government than it does in them. Again, I don't believe in allies. This country needs to burn to the ground and be rebuilt from the ashes, and this simply furthers the potential for that.
Wishing for social destruction is a sound demonstration of mental illness and an anti-social personality disorder.
 
Because you don't listen to the personal phone conversations of the Chancellor of one of your biggest allies; who not only happens to be leading our 5th largest trading partner, but is literally [from non-Greek persepective] carrying the EU on her back right now. Their legislature and the EU is fully capable of issuing harsh sanctions against the US.

This has been happening for decades. What is different now?

Whose law was broken?
 
He opened up that nasty underbelly of espionage/government surveillance/individual's rights violations for the whole world to see...

Okay, I can agree with that.

I think you had to have been born on Mars to not know, or at least suspect, that most of it was going on in the first place, but we can agree that he spilled the quantitative beans on it, to some extent.

...making it harder for governments to fool/con their citizens into taking violent actions against other countries whenever leaders want the masses to do their dirty work.

Has he though?

So far as I know absolutely nothing has actually come from Snowden's actions, other, perhaps, than a little lip service being paid by the White House.

It certainly hasn't led to any kind of serious and concerted effort to reform America's national intelligence infrastructure or to roll back, or even check, some of the more obviously unconstitutional surveillance abuses that the American government has come to adopt over the past decade.

Truth be told, outside a very small handful of political news junkies I'd be surprised if many Americans have any idea what Snowden actually released.

Most people know he's a whistleblower, and most have a least a basic opinion on whether it's right or wrong, good or bad, in respect to the whistle being blown on the US gov, but I don't think most people are paying enough attention that it would actually have an effect on their support for some future government military action.

I think you're reading into Snowden's actions the results that you would like to have seen come of them rather than analyzing what actually has come from them.

Frankly, I don't think Snowden's actions amount to a hill of beans.

No Noble Prize for him.

Not because I don't think he deserves it (I'll reserve my opinion on that in the interest of non-partisanship) but because I don't think such an award can be justified.
 
Remember that I don't believe in Rights, Dave. So far as I'm concerned the Government should have the right to do whatever checking on anyone.... You, Me, anyone else they deem necessary to ensure the security of this nation.

You still haven't answered his question, imo.

You typed:

'We're talking about an individual who committed a crime under US law and who put USServicemen and women in danger because of it.'

Where is your link to evidence that Snowden's actions 'put USServicemen and women in danger'?
 
This has been happening for decades. What is different now? Whose law was broken?
We've had Merkel's personal cellphone tapped for decades?

Edit: Make the claim that esponiage is legal and moral, because treaties "don't matter" and only the US' laws are valid in this world.
 
Uh, yes? If you want to experience "refusing to do business," perhaps you'd be interested in experiencing first-hand the economic conditions of Cuba or Iran?

If we don't have it/can't make it we really don't need it. If there is some exception to that rule we have the lead, copper, steel, and warm bodies to TAKE IT rather than bargaining with people who we know are not truly our friends.

Wishing for social destruction is a sound demonstration of mental illness and an anti-social personality disorder.

I'm definitely anti-social. That's not news around here.
 
You still haven't answered his question, imo.....

Where is your link to evidence that Snowden's actions 'put USServicemen and women in danger'?

If we were having a debate you would be right. However, as the individual in question knows, I do not debate, since it's a worthless form of interaction. I will participate in a discussion of opinions, but that is all and he full well knows that; as you do now.
 
Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

(he has been nominated, apparently)

Yes! Just like Obama's win, it would show it up for what it is.
Afterwards he should go straight to jail.
 
We've had Merkel's personal cellphone tapped for decades?

Edit: Make the claim that esponiage is legal and moral, because treaties "don't matter" and only the US' laws are valid in this world.

The people that yammer about the NSA haven't given it much thought or are talking an ideological line.
 
If we were having a debate you would be right. However, as the individual in question knows, I do not debate, since it's a worthless form of interaction. I will participate in a discussion of opinions, but that is all and he full well knows that; as you do now.

I can respect that. In fact, I agree completely; debating usually is worthless...a waste of time.

That is why I usually just look for facts/data to teach/learn and skip the long-winded back-and-forth's.


But, I am quite sure you are aware that making assertions without evidence to back them up leaves the assertion as little more then an unsubstantiated opinion.

Fair enough...you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
 
You still haven't answered his question, imo.

You typed:

'We're talking about an individual who committed a crime under US law and who put USServicemen and women in danger because of it.'

Where is your link to evidence that Snowden's actions 'put USServicemen and women in danger'?

Are you questioning that? I could hardly believe anyone could in good faith.
 
I can respect that. In fact, I agree completely; debating usually is worthless...a waste of time. That is why I usually just look for facts/data to teach/learn and skip the long-winded back-and-forth's.

But, I am quite sure you are aware that making assertions without evidence to back them up leaves the assertion as little more then an unsubstantiated opinion. Fair enough...you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

My opinions are the only things that matter in my world. I skip the long-winded back-and-forth without wasting the time on trying to teach anyone anything. I know my opinion will not be changed, nor likely will there's, so why waste the time trying?
 
Then show me the link that proves military secrets were/are revealed. There are none. That is the problem. He revealed spying upon private citizens that was and is against the law.

And, of course, he took all of that NSA information with him to one of the most repressive and regressive regimes on the planet. On the bright side for Eddie, however, its doubtful that the Russians had to torture him to get the information.
 
Can anyone with a straight face tell me that Snowden whistleblowing about Americas spying habits is THE most deserving Nobel Prize recipient?

Malala Yousafzai:

Pakistani activist Malala Yousafzai was 14 when she was shot in the head by Taliban militants in 2012 as punishment for her high profile campaign to encourage girls to go to school.

She was in a pickup truck on her way home her from school when a masked man stopped the truck while another shot her in the head with a pistol.

Malala was flown to the UK for treatment and now attends school in Birmingham.

On 12 July 2013, Yousafzai's 16th birthday, she spoke at the UN to call for worldwide access to education. The UN dubbed the event "Malala Day."

Claudia Paz y Paz:

Claudia Paz y Paz is the first female Attorney General in Guatemala, one of the most violent countries in Latin America. She has been heavily influential in the prosecution of organised crime and has campaigned against political corruption.

She has worked hard to bring to justice human rights abusers and perpetrators of widespread gender-based violence

Most importantly she has ensured that, for the first time, those responsible for human rights abuses committed by the military dictatorship during Guatemala's civil war have been prosecuted.

Edward Snowden:

A sociology professor in Sweden has recommended NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Professor Stefan Svallfors said that Snowden's revelations about United States and British government mass surveillance programs had 'helped to make the world a little bit better and safe".

One of these things is not like the others.

All quotes from here:Nobel Peace Prize 2013: the nominees - Telegraph
 
Are you questioning that? I could hardly believe anyone could in good faith.

People who have contempt and loathing for the United States and those who serve it question it all day. In their little world, Eddie only revealed spying on the innocent and no U.S. service personnel need worry. Honest, that's how they think.
 
People who have contempt and loathing for the United States and those who serve it question it all day. In their little world, Eddie only revealed spying on the innocent and no U.S. service personnel need worry. Honest, that's how they think.

It is odd. But if the local population has been missinformed for decades and the US has been lied about in order to show how good the local society is doing, so that the US represents the rot in the world, this is believably evil. I am following it in Germany and the anti Americanism is thick and heavy.
 
Can anyone with a straight face tell me that Snowden whistleblowing about Americas spying habits is THE most deserving Nobel Prize recipient?

Malala Yousafzai:



Claudia Paz y Paz:



Edward Snowden:



One of these things is not like the others.

All quotes from here:Nobel Peace Prize 2013: the nominees - Telegraph

According to wikipedia, 'Since 1901, (the Nobel peace prize) it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.".

As amazing as the actions of the other people you mentioned were/are...I personally don't think they seem to fall under the Nobel peace prize guideline.

No doubt you disagree...fine.

Nobel Peace Prize - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/
 
Why not Hassan Rouhani then? Seems to me that limiting uranium enrichment and diluting Iran's stockpile goes a lot further towards peace than whistleblowing.

According to wikipedia, 'Since 1901, (the Nobel peace prize) it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.".

As amazing as the actions of the other people you mentioned were/are...I personally don't think they seem to fall under the Nobel peace prize guideline.

No doubt you disagree...fine.

Nobel Peace Prize - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Nobel Peace Prize
 
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