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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is odd. But if the local population has been missinformed for decades and the US has been lied about in order to show how good the local society is doing, so that the US represents the rot in the world, this is believably evil. I am following it in Germany and the anti Americanism is thick and heavy.
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    People who have contempt and loathing for the United States and those who serve it question it all day. In their little world, Eddie only revealed spying on the innocent and no U.S. service personnel need worry. Honest, that's how they think.
    You're posting on a forum where we have ample representation not just from the 5 or 6 German posters, but as well as Canadians, Brits, Aussies, Turks and more. Their concerns about their safety and being spied on by a foreign government are not invalidated by the fact that you have American passport and wear your raunch nationalism on your sleeves.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    (he has been nominated, apparently)
    I don't know if he deserves a Nobel Peace prize, but I can definitely suggest a good start: how about we stop villifying a man for blowing the whistle on hilariously unconstitutional and unethical practices against its own population by the government and, if nothing else say, "Hey, Eddy....good job."

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    I voted no even though I support the actions of Snowden. These revelations are doing nothing to ACTUALLY stop spying by the United States. The new rhetoric is more like "we won't get caught next time". Plus, even though I hate the US governments position with Snowden as a traitor, it would still reflect poorly upon the United States if Snowden were infact to win. It would be another foreign policy blow.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The question I asked in the post you quoted.
    As I said, I can not believe anyone could ask something like that in good faith.

    But I'm not about to put a basic text book together for you on how information on the methods used by intelligence agencies affects crime fighting, international curruption or international security.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    You're posting on a forum where we have ample representation not just from the 5 or 6 German posters, but as well as Canadians, Brits, Aussies, Turks and more. Their concerns about their safety and being spied on by a foreign government are not invalidated by the fact that you have American passport and wear your raunch nationalism on your sleeves.
    Maybe not. On the other hand, it would then be a good idea to protect only populations that are friendly and pay hard and soft costs for international security commensurate to the gains they derive therefrom.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Snowden did not betray his country. He exposed government surveillance programs that breached the public trust and invaded the privacy of millions. If you feel he is a traitor to the country then I think you have skewed loyalties. Vilifying a man who exposed government programs that undermine the freedom of U.S. citizens isn't logical. How can he be a traitor to the country when what he did was for the preservation of the very things that separate us from dictatorships? Too many things have been traded in the name of "national security." I'm not going to derail this thread by diving into the reality of the global terrorist threat but we, as Americans, have been bullied and fear mongered into accepting that it's okay to trade degrees of privacy and "freedom" at an uneven rate based upon the actual threat we face.

    He's as good a candidate to win as many others in the past I suppose.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Why not Hassan Rouhani then? Seems to me that limiting uranium enrichment and diluting Iran's stockpile goes a lot further towards peace than whistleblowing.
    Maybe...I don't know.

    We will see.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As I said, I can not believe anyone could ask something like that in good faith.

    But I'm not about to put a basic text book together for you on how information on the methods used by intelligence agencies affects crime fighting, international curruption or international security.
    So, your answer is 'no'.

    Good day.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    The extent of "spying" on U.S. citizens is difficult to measure, but its widely acknowledged that it was much to far. The extent to which it actually endangered the lives of service men and women isn't so clear.

    The argument that "what if these programs could have prevented a terrorist attack?" simply isn't valid given the trade off. They are simply much too broad. Further, the manner in which they were used to spy on other countries, friendly countries no less, has done us no good internationally. In fact it has served to undermine already tenuous relationships and made even more people think that the U.S. really only pays lip service to the ideals of freedom, democracy, and right to privacy.

    I hear all the time about people complaining that this country isn't what it used to be, that Obama (or Bush or whichever President at the time) is ruining this nation. Well these programs were wolves in sheeps clothing to ideals that this country was founded on. And Americans seem to quick to abandon them in the name of fighting the "War on Terror." Which by the way serves as one of the biggest dupes in American history.

    Much like the gun control lobby uses isolated incidents to ramp of furor and forward their agenda, our government used a terrible but very specific and unique incident to justify a paradigm shift in domestic policy and spend hundreds of billions of dollars. By playing on our fear and manipulating nationalism and "patriotism."

    Snowden is no traitor. He's a man who did the right thing.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't know if he deserves a Nobel Peace prize, but I can definitely suggest a good start: how about we stop villifying a man for blowing the whistle on hilariously unconstitutional and unethical practices against its own population by the government and, if nothing else say, "Hey, Eddy....good job."
    Where it was unconstitutional his blowing the whistle might and I would repeat might be ok.

    The other 90 percent of the disclosures need severe punishment.

    That does not mean we do not need a robust system by which provides a secure way for government employees to intercede, when activities seem illegal. Maybe a system of encouragement could be structured along the lines the sec is implementing.

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