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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    UNNECESSARY Potential to be injured. Please actually pay attention to what I said. Obvously US Military members always take a chance with their safety. What Snowden did was to provide material that could INCREASE the chance of those servicemembers being injured and that I take significant umprage at.
    US security IS at stake here. Do you think that the Germans will ever be keen on trading with us or allying with us in the near future, with Angela Merkel knowing that the US is illegally wiretapping her personal phone? It's already hacked them off and undermined several tradining treaties. How about the ramifications that are now occuring in the UK, or South Korea or Australia?

    If the government needed to wiretap and/or spy on potential targets or security risks, they have all the power to do so. This meta spying, however, goes far beyond that requirement and is now undermining both the trust that Americans have in their government; and the trust of our allies. With this egregious spying, we're alienating anyone and everyone that would be a potential help should we be in another 9/11 situation.

    It's destroying all of our personal safeties and securities on the whims of a bunch of nosy bureacrats.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    US security IS at stake here. Do you think that the Germans will ever be keen on trading with us or allying with us in the near future, with Angela Merkel knowing that the US is illegally wiretapping her personal phone? It's already hacked them off and undermined several tradining treaties. How about the ramifications that are now occuring in the UK, or South Korea or Australia?

    If the government needed to wiretap and/or spy on potential targets or security risks, they have all the power to do so. This meta spying, however, goes far beyond that requirement and is now undermining both the trust that Americans have in their government; and the trust of our allies. With this egregious spying, we're alienating anyone and everyone that would be a potential help should we be in another 9/11 situation.

    It's destroying our personal safety and security at the whims of a bunch of nosy bureacrats.
    Why did you use the word "illegally" here?

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Remember that I don't believe in Rights, Dave. So far as I'm concerned the Government should have the right to do whatever checking on anyone.... You, Me, anyone else they deem necessary to ensure the security of this nation.
    Ummm yes you do believe in rights, just not for others. You believe in the Right to keep and bear arms dontcha? Free speech and the right to not associate with any female working instead of mopping the kitchen floor.

    You claim to act so much differently than what you just posted. You certainly believe in a right to privacy.

    If not then you are little better than a slave of the State, and slaves don't get firearms...

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    US security IS at stake here. Do you think that the Germans will ever be keen on trading with us or allying with us in the near future, with Angela Merkel knowing that the US is illegally wiretapping her personal phone? How about the UK, or South Korea or Australia?
    You make a mistake if you think I WANT the US dealing with these other countries to begin with. These countries kicking us out and refusing to do business with us would be GREAT so far as I'm concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    If the government needed to wiretap and/or spy on potential targets or security risks, they have all the power to do so. This meta spying, however, goes far beyond that requirement and is now undermining both the trust that Americans have in their government; and the trust of our allies. With this egregious spying, we're alienating anyone and everyone that would be a potential help should we be in another 9/11 situation.
    No smart American should have any more faith in this Government than it does in them. Again, I don't believe in allies. This country needs to burn to the ground and be rebuilt from the ashes, and this simply furthers the potential for that.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why did you use the word "illegally" here?
    Because you don't listen to the personal phone conversations of the Chancellor of one of your biggest allies; who not only happens to be leading our 5th largest trading partner, but is literally [from non-Greek persepective] carrying the EU on her back right now. Their legislature and the EU is fully capable of issuing harsh sanctions against the US.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ummm yes you do believe in rights, just not for others. You believe in the Right to keep and bear arms dontcha? Free speech and the right to not associate with any female working instead of mopping the kitchen floor....
    No. I believe in PRIVILEGES, not Rights. I've been over that many times before.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    As much as some people might be annoyed by this, there are people and organisations out there who I believe deserve it more.

    Dames de blanco - a Cuban opposition movement founded by the wifes of political prisoners.

    A state prosecuter in Panama who is the only prosecuter in that country who had the balls to prosecute drug cartels in the past years.

    And then there is this Congolese doctor who for several year opend up and administered tent hospitals in some of the worst African warzones.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You make a mistake if you think I WANT the US dealing with these other countries to begin with. These countries kicking us out and refusing to do business with us would be GREAT so far as I'm concerned.
    Uh, yes? If you want to experience "refusing to do business," perhaps you'd be interested in experiencing first-hand the economic conditions of Cuba or Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No smart American should have any more faith in this Government than it does in them. Again, I don't believe in allies. This country needs to burn to the ground and be rebuilt from the ashes, and this simply furthers the potential for that.
    Wishing for social destruction is a sound demonstration of mental illness and an anti-social personality disorder.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Because you don't listen to the personal phone conversations of the Chancellor of one of your biggest allies; who not only happens to be leading our 5th largest trading partner, but is literally [from non-Greek persepective] carrying the EU on her back right now. Their legislature and the EU is fully capable of issuing harsh sanctions against the US.
    This has been happening for decades. What is different now?

    Whose law was broken?

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    He opened up that nasty underbelly of espionage/government surveillance/individual's rights violations for the whole world to see...
    Okay, I can agree with that.

    I think you had to have been born on Mars to not know, or at least suspect, that most of it was going on in the first place, but we can agree that he spilled the quantitative beans on it, to some extent.

    ...making it harder for governments to fool/con their citizens into taking violent actions against other countries whenever leaders want the masses to do their dirty work.
    Has he though?

    So far as I know absolutely nothing has actually come from Snowden's actions, other, perhaps, than a little lip service being paid by the White House.

    It certainly hasn't led to any kind of serious and concerted effort to reform America's national intelligence infrastructure or to roll back, or even check, some of the more obviously unconstitutional surveillance abuses that the American government has come to adopt over the past decade.

    Truth be told, outside a very small handful of political news junkies I'd be surprised if many Americans have any idea what Snowden actually released.

    Most people know he's a whistleblower, and most have a least a basic opinion on whether it's right or wrong, good or bad, in respect to the whistle being blown on the US gov, but I don't think most people are paying enough attention that it would actually have an effect on their support for some future government military action.

    I think you're reading into Snowden's actions the results that you would like to have seen come of them rather than analyzing what actually has come from them.

    Frankly, I don't think Snowden's actions amount to a hill of beans.

    No Noble Prize for him.

    Not because I don't think he deserves it (I'll reserve my opinion on that in the interest of non-partisanship) but because I don't think such an award can be justified.
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