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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    (he has been nominated, apparently)
    I cannot see that it matters in the least.

    Whatever meaning the Nobel Peace prize might still have had at that point, it completely discarded it when the prize was given to Al Gore, for his massive, fraudulent propaganda effort in favor of bigger government; and later to Barak Obama, for having accomplished exactly nothing other than being elected to a public office that had previously been held by many, much more worthy men than himself.


    I can't say that anything that Snowden has done or is alleged to have done rises to anything like what Alfred Nobel had in mind when he created this prize, but he did, at great sacrifice to himself, perform a valuable service to all Americans by calling out the illegal activities of our own government against us. Perhaps that is deserving of some prize, and on further thought, the prestige of having been awarded this prize (however meaningless it now is) would serve to undermine our government's credibility in its ongoing efforts to treat Mr. Snowden as a criminal, in retaliation exposing the government's criminality. Mr. Snowden could become an American counterpart to Andrei Sakharov; and the Nobel committee could thus regain a huge amount of the credibility that it has so carelessly discarded in the past few decades.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Essentially, you feel that any existing limits to a government's reach/power can be effectively and legitimately negated if all you do is get employees to sign a piece of paper stating that they will play along.

    How convenient.
    It is not the piece of paper but the trust behind it and the honor of the person who signs it (combined with the penalties that can be expected if you break that solemn oath).
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
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    It is not the piece of paper but the trust behind it and the honor of the person who signs it (combined with the penalties that can be expected if you break that solemn oath).
    I presume you accept the leaders of government violating their solemn oaths to uphold the Constitution since you deftly avoided that part.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I presume you accept the leaders of government violating their solemn oaths to uphold the Constitution since you deftly avoided that part.
    They might be violating the constitution but that is not the issue IMHO, that is something the supreme court has to decide. There are laws that make the behavior of the politicians and the government possibly completelely/largely legal. Betraying your oath as a employee of the government is illegal according to the law. I may not want him to be punished too hard (haven't made up my mind about that) but he certainly does not deserve the nobel peace prize.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    They might be violating the constitution but that is not the issue IMHO, that is something the supreme court has to decide. There are laws that make the behavior of the politicians and the government possibly completelely/largely legal. Betraying your oath as a employee of the government is illegal according to the law. I may not want him to be punished too hard (haven't made up my mind about that) but he certainly does not deserve the nobel peace prize.
    If it's top secret, how is it supposed to even get to the supreme court? Whether it's unconstitutional or not is the issue, and without knowing about it we can't discuss that issue. When you swear an oath you swear an oath to the American people and the constitution. That's what he swore to, and that's what he's chosen to put first.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I presume you accept the leaders of government violating their solemn oaths to uphold the Constitution since you deftly avoided that part.
    I called PeterKing on it before, and he seems to be of the opinion that no matter what horrible things your government is doing, even if they're killing kids in dark rooms, you HAVE to keep your mouth shut.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If it's top secret, how is it supposed to even get to the supreme court? Whether it's unconstitutional or not is the issue, and without knowing about it we can't discuss that issue. When you swear an oath you swear an oath to the American people and the constitution. That's what he swore to, and that's what he's chosen to put first.



    I called PeterKing on it before, and he seems to be of the opinion that no matter what horrible things your government is doing, even if they're killing kids in dark rooms, you HAVE to keep your mouth shut.
    I am not saying you should under all circumstances keep your mouth shut but if there is not a very important overwhelmingly critical reason to betray your country/your oath, then you have to keep your mouth shut or if that is too much for your conscience to live with, you will have to accept the consequences.

    One consequence however should not be receiving the nobel peace prize.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Possibly. What the hell is the Nobel Peace Prize awarded for, anyways?
    Education.

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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    he should win the Congressional Gold Medal, since Congress just passes this off to the Senate/House Intelligence Committees.
    Be nice to see Congress in full actually debate the merits of the various programs.

    But hey. It's an election year and Congress has a lot to do to get re-elected.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    It is not the piece of paper but the trust behind it and the honor of the person who signs it (combined with the penalties that can be expected if you break that solemn oath).
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I presume you accept the leaders of government violating their solemn oaths to uphold the Constitution since you deftly avoided that part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    They might be violating the constitution but that is not the issue IMHO, that is something the supreme court has to decide. There are laws that make the behavior of the politicians and the government possibly completelely [sic]/largely legal. Betraying your oath as a employee of the government is illegal according to the law. I may not want him to be punished too hard (haven't made up my mind about that) but he certainly does not deserve the nobel peace prize.
    Surely the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution trumps any other oath that any public servant may take in connection with any work for or in affiliation with any government in this nation.

    Do you suppose Mr. Snowden took the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? Surely, he did. And if he found that those with whom he was working were violating the Constitution, then surely his oath to defend the Constitution would trump any other oath or agreement that might seek to compel him to keep his mouth shut and go along with that violation of the Constitution.

    In fact, knowing that illegal activity is going on, being a part of that illegal activity (even if unintentionally) and failing to speak out against it, would surely have made Mr. Snowden an accessory to that illegal activity, making him subject to prosecution right along with the criminals with whom he was working. So really, he was damned either way. Either keep his mouth shut, and be an accessory to the criminality in which he found himself involved; or speak out, and face charges for violating his oath of secrecy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    There are laws that make the behavior of the politicians and the government possibly completelely [sic]/largely legal.
    Never if that behavior violates the Constitution. The Constitution trumps every other law.
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    Re: Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Possibly. What the hell is the Nobel Peace Prize awarded for, anyways?
    Nothing meaningful any more.

    It's been awarded to terrorists like Yassir Arafat and Nelson Mandela for being terrorists. It's been awarded to Al Gore for his massive, fraudulent moneymaking scam based on the “global warming” hoax. It's been awarded to President Obama for nothing more than having been recently elected President.

    Whatever the prize may once have stood for, whatever Alfred Nobel may have intended it to stand for, now it stands for nothing.
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