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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yeah, support requires proof. If you support it, you would pay.
    yeah, you really need to look up the definition of that word. you are going further and further off the mark there.

    perhaps you should substitute a word that actually would make a point instead of mangling the english language.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Agree and I believe the tax money should follow the child. No one should have to double pay.
    not one person in America HAS to double pay
    not one
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    People who value modern society and functional societies support this tax system. If you want to call that stupid, go ahead.
    A great many of us who support modern, functional society, very much disagree with your support of a tax system that can only be destructive thereto.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not one person in America HAS to double pay
    not one
    Well, nobody except for every parent who sends their child to a private school, and has to pay tuition to that school as well as having to pay taxes to support the failing public schools that they aren't using.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sounds good, just let them opt out of taxes paying for other kids.
    and i don't want America going to fight other peoples' wars. by your measure i should not need to pay a huge portion of my federal taxes going to that effort
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Obviously at some point you have to set a standard for what a failing school is. No school will have perfect results because some of the results depend on parents. However, I think its easy to see what a successful school district is. For example, here are the stats for the public school district our kids attend:

    Average ACT Scores: 25.2
    Average SAT Composite: 1,789

    Proficient in Reading: 96%
    Proficient in Math: 96%

    In comparison, the average ACT Scores for Home Schooled kids is 22.6. The average SAT composite for home schooled kids is 1083. The point being that there are lots of public school districts with exemplary performance, so why should parents in those school districts get a taxpayer funded voucher to send their kids to a private school that doesn't even perform as well as the public school does?
    Again, you use "school district" averages instead of the actual single school that a given child must attend. Suppose that a particular parent wants a particular child to get better educated in music, art or possibly to learn a trade? Should that not be used to judge the effectiveness of a given educational opportunity? Most public K-12 schools assume that college prep is the #1 goal, yet many students (and their parents) know that is not their personal plan. I am amazed how few HS graduates can balance a checkbook, correctly frame a wall with a door and/or window in it or prepare a basic household budget.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Well, nobody except for every parent who sends their child to a private school, and has to pay tuition to that school as well as having to pay taxes to support the failing public schools that they aren't using.
    What if they are in a successful public school district? Do you think they should still get a voucher if they want to send their kids to private school?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A great many of us who support modern, functional society, very much disagree with your support of a tax system that can only be destructive thereto.
    having a general basic foundation we can build on is the basis of a lot of our society. We need that foundation to be reliable so that we can build on it and achieve higher levels of technological sophistication.

    I will go back to the example of roads. We have a good road system, as did rome. With roads come commerce and with better roads comes better commerce. With commerce comes wealth. I am sure we can all agree on this point at least. So how do you make sure you have decent and reliable roads? Roads that we can standardize the types of vehicles we can use and minimize things like maintenance issues and create more and more efficient vehicles and uses for these roads? By general taxation. If we paid use taxes for roads, tolls for example, than the quality of our roads would vary and be unreliable, causing 18 wheelers to need to be far more robust, less standardized and easy to maintain, and potentially cut off portions of our geography from receiving the goods they transport, reducing the wealth in those areas, causing them to be less able to maintain decent quality roads.

    I can posit similar examples in electricity, education, health care, or a lot of different industries that underly modern society if you wish. You may consider it theft, if you do, then you do, but that is your morality, not mine. You may judge my morality harshly, but I don't care as I see my morality as helping to create systems that allow you to bitch about it on the internet, which was created by the very taxation system you hate.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Again, you use "school district" averages instead of the actual single school that a given child must attend. Suppose that a particular parent wants a particular child to get better educated in music, art or possibly to learn a trade? Should that not be used to judge the effectiveness of a given educational opportunity? Most public K-12 schools assume that college prep is the #1 goal, yet many students (and their parents) know that is not their personal plan. I am amazed how few HS graduates can balance a checkbook, correctly frame a wall with a door and/or window in it or prepare a basic household budget.
    I would agree that schools should do a better job preparing some kids for skilled vocations. However, private schools are certainly no better in that regard and are in most cases much worse. How many private schools out there have an AG program, or Shop? I can't think of a one. The vast majority of private schools are either college prep, or fundamentalist.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What if they are in a successful public school district? Do you think they should still get a voucher if they want to send their kids to private school?
    Who has the authority to decide how best to educate a child: Government, or that child's parents?
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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