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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Look at their budget. It states that the "alternative high school" which is a votec, is their number one budget priority. Other than that, they don't list expenditures by individual schools within the district. At least, not with a superficial glance.
    That proves Jack.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That proves Jack.
    I don't know who Jack is, but it proves that their number one funding priority is the vocational school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't know who Jack is, but it proves that their number one funding priority is the vocational school.
    No, it has zero to do with the fact wealthy districts in MA spend more per pupil than poor.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support school choice?

    Yes
    Yes but with certain exceptions. Please list those exceptions.
    no, students should only go to schools in their public school district.
    other
    maybe


    School choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Open enrollment

    Open enrollment refers to educational policies which allow residents of a state to enroll their children in any public school, provided the school has not reached its maximum capacity number for students, regardless of the school district in which a family resides.
    Open enrollment can be either intra-district or inter-district. Intra-district choice allows parents to send their children to any school within their designated district. Parents can enroll their children in schools outside of their catchment area. Inter-district school choice allows parents to select public schools outside of their resident district.[1]
    Inequality of Open Enrollment

    An open enrollment policy allows parents to choose the school they want their children to attend from any of the schools in their area, provided there is space for them. This definition gives the impression that everyone has an equal opportunity to choose a school, but the reality of such equality has been called into question.[2] For example, in rural areas the option of taking advantage of open enrollment is greatly diminished because of limited access to alternate schools.


    Vouchers

    Main article: School voucher
    When the government pays tuition to a private school on behalf of the parents, this is usually referred to as a voucher. A voucher is given to the family for them to spend at any school of their choice for their child's study. The two most common voucher designs are universal vouchers and means-tested vouchers. Means-tested vouchers are directed towards low-income families and constitute the bulk of voucher plans in the United States.
    Tuition tax credits

    A tuition tax credit is similar to most other familiar tax credits. Certain states allow individuals and/or businesses to deduct a certain amount of their income taxes to donate to education. Depending on the program, these donations can either go to a public school or to a School Tuition Organization (STO), or both. The donations that go to public schools are often used to help pay for after-school programs, schools trips, or school supplies. The donations that go to School Tuition Organizations are used by the STO to create scholarships that are then given to students. These programs currently exist in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island in the United States.[8]
    Charter schools

    Main article: Charter school
    Charter schools are public schools with more relaxed rules and regulations. These relaxed rules tend to deal with things like Teacher Union contracts and state curriculum. The majority of states (and the District of Columbia) have charter school laws. Minnesota was the first state to have a charter school law and the first charter school in the United States, City Academy High School, opened in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1992.[9]
    Dayton, Ohio has between 22–26% of all children in charter schools.[10] This is the highest percentage in the nation. Other hotbeds for charter schools are Kansas City (24%), Washington, D.C. (20-24%) and Arizona. Almost 1 in 4 public schools in Arizona are charter schools, comprising about 8% of total enrollment.
    Charter schools can also come in the form of Cyber Charters. Cyber charter schools deliver the majority of their instruction over the internet instead of in a school building. And, like charter schools, they are public schools, but free of many of the rules and regulations that public schools must follow.
    Magnet schools

    Main article: Magnet school
    Magnet schools are public schools that often have a specialized function like science, technology or art. These magnet schools, unlike charter schools, are not open to all children. Much like many private schools, there are some (but not all) magnet schools that require a test to get in.
    Home schooling

    Main article: Homeschooling
    "Home education" or "home schooling" is instruction in a child's home, or provided primarily by a parent, or under direct parental control. Informal home education has always taken place, and formal instruction in the home has at times also been very popular. As public education grew in popularity during the 1900s, however, the number of people educated at home using a planned curriculum dropped. In the last 20 years, in contrast, the number of children being formally educated at home has grown tremendously, in particular in the United States. The laws relevant to home education differ throughout the country. In some states the parent simply needs to notify the state that the child will be educated at home. In other states the parents are not free to educate at home unless at least one parent is a certified teacher and yearly progress reports are reviewed by the state. Such laws are not always enforced however. According to the federal government, about 1.1 million children were home educated in 2003.[11]




    I do support school choice.The future of our kids is more important than any job security of any teacher. We can not wait until they fix **** at the local level while our children's education suffers because unions do not want to allow us to easily fire bad teachers or reform their teaching programs. Plus the tax dollars used to educate that child should follow that child regardless if that child goes to a public school,charter school or a voucher for a private school.
    Choice in the sense that you can choose, but not that tax payers pay with vouchers. We have choice in Iowa. I can go to any public school I want. No voucher. If I want to send my kids to private school, I can. But I pay for it. That choice I agree with.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    With a few exceptions related to national defense and security, the federal government is not the entity that should be doing R&D in anything.
    That's a death knell for our economy.



    But that's a discussion for another thread.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    A specialized school would be specialized to the need, whatever that need is. Be it learning disability or little a$$holes. There'd be a specialized school for it if there is a market for it.
    There's obviously a need to teach "little a$$holes" whether there's a "market" for it or not. That's the difference, though, isn't it? Teaching kids who don't want to learn is much more expensive than teaching kids that are willing to learn. Vouchers don't solve that problem, they just make it worse.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's a death knell for our economy.

    But that's a discussion for another thread.
    In my opinion, taking that kind of attitude toward the federal government would be the salvation for our economy. Just as getting the federal government out of public education and putting it back in the control of the parents would be a huge first step to restore America's education system as the best in the world.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Those laws are limited in scope when dealing with learning disabilities. Only IDEA covers very specific mandates that addresses the education of a child with learning disabilities. That of course is just one example of no strings attached. How about mandated state testing which is used as a high stake metric? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
    On the one side I will agree that all schools, pubic, private and home, must have their students meet the same requirements for earning a diploma of graduation. However I don't necessarily agree with all of the various state tests. Right now there is too much emphasis on teaching to the test and not in teaching the subject matter. Not to mention the manner in which the test are required to be given. Some students can rattle off every little fact that they've been taught, but put a written test in front of them and it all blanks out. But there is nothing in many of the school systems to address this issue. Everyone wants written tests, be it actual words or little dots. But many non-standard schools can, will and do address such issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, I see. Problem kids act out because they are not being challenged Not what I call 'problem'. Let's try and stick a child with behavioral issues in a posh private school and their problem behavior starts interfering with other children. I say they last less than a month.
    Nice way to try to paint with a broad brush. Fail! I said that some of the problem children are not straight behavioral problems but due to a lack of academic challenge. "Some" does not mean "all". Some of those who are not challenged enough simply leave it as just sitting through the year doing nothing, and failing because they're not bothering. You further employ your broad brush by using the "posh private school" term. Our arguments are not about putting kinds in "posh private schools", but into schools where they can actually reach their full academic potential, which may mean some kind of trade/tech school. As noted before, this may mean that child 1 leaves school A for school B, while child 2 leaves school B for school A. It's putting the child in the school that best suits them and allows them to best learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Public schools also have mandates to provide special education and disability access for the students that need it, and those students are unlikely to be attractive to private schools since many of them would bring down the test scores and/or cost more to accommodate and educate.
    And yet there are plenty of public schools that specialize in such students and more would be forth coming. The cited blog in Indiana even noted where one such school had opened up after the voucher program started. That before we even look at the fact that some students would merely be going to a different public school.

    Also, the cost of instruction for a class of ten is roughly the same as for a class of thirty since it still just one teacher doing the work.
    But is the result the same? Depends upon the students. Some students do well in a large classroom environment while other require a smaller classroom. When you remove school choice then you are failing the student who will not do will in the learning environment that you mandate he be in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The idea is that it will increase competition. However, it's government money, and thus no effort money, that will only cause prices to increase regardless of any increase in competition it might cause either directly or indirectly.
    It's not no effort money in this case as it would be with public schools under the currant system. The schools will have to work in order to get the money in the first place, whether it comes from the parents, government or both.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, it has zero to do with the fact wealthy districts in MA spend more per pupil than poor.
    I disagree. I believe the per pupil cost is being disguised by averaging and it is very likely that there are schools within the Taunton district which surpass the per pupil cost than Weston. Weston has only one High school after-all. Far less averaging.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There's obviously a need to teach "little a$$holes" whether there's a "market" for it or not. That's the difference, though, isn't it? Teaching kids who don't want to learn is much more expensive than teaching kids that are willing to learn. Vouchers don't solve that problem, they just make it worse.
    Sure, its more expensive in the present system. It's likely to be expensive in a new system, as well. I'd wager, though, that a new specialized private system would be less expensive than a public. If those problem children could be removed from schools, allowing the other schools to focus on the "good" kids.
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