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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If it does it will be the parents choice and most likely a matter of convenience rather than intentional segregation. And the fact that you highlighted that fact and not the line immediately following it that addresse the issue of discrimination makes your post thoroughly intellectually dishonest. So you will understand that I prefer to discuss concepts with people who represent what I say honestly. I won't respond further so long as you use that kind of tactic. But I do wish you well.
    That segregation happens due to parents' choice or convenience isn't significant. If it is allowed to happen, the students will be harmed by attending segregated schools. Unlike public schools, there is no way for government or individuals to address discrimination and segregation by private schools because private schools are legally allowed to discriminate parents. I don't believe that the only way to improve public education is to allow discrimination and segregation. I do not want to my tax dollars going to religions and profiteers, especially since the public schools will be damaged, and possibly destroyed by the loss of funds.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Even if no lawyer wants to "defend the slime of the earth," a lawyer will be appointed for the "slime" by the courts. Our criminal system is based on the principal that no one is guilty until convicted and everyone deserves and needs professional representation to have a fair trial.

    You are blaming unions for doing their job, which is to represent the interests of their members, instead of the administrators and school board members who are responsible for approving labor contracts, hiring teachers and supervising them. Do you ever go to school board meetings to complain about the quality of their work?

    Why put the blame on the unions-they are not
    whatever bro. i guess it is to be expected of an obvious union lemming. my kid just started K this year so I have yet to go to any of these meetings you refer to but I look forward to getting involved when the time comes. And I do blame the unions for doing their job. And any teacher that shores up and joins a union is just as much to blame. My whole point here is that unions should be abolished and reclaim our education system.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That segregation happens due to parents' choice or convenience isn't significant. If it is allowed to happen, the students will be harmed by attending segregated schools. Unlike public schools, there is no way for government or individuals to address discrimination and segregation by private schools because private schools are legally allowed to discriminate parents. I don't believe that the only way to improve public education is to allow discrimination and segregation. I do not want to my tax dollars going to religions and profiteers, especially since the public schools will be damaged, and possibly destroyed by the loss of funds.
    Segregation is a problem ONLY when it is forced on people and not because of the choice parents make for their children. And I daresay forced bussing of kids to achieve some kind of greater 'racial balance' in the schools did far more damage to those kids and the education they received than any choice most parents make for their kids ever would. There is no problem with an all black school population unless an Asian or Hispanic or Native American or white kid was not allowed to go there. There is no problem with an all-Asian or all-white or all-Hispanic school unless they disallow children of other racial and/or ethnic groups to go there.

    Go to any parochial or private school in mixed race neighborhoods though and you will see that there will almost always be a similar representation in the school population.

    Only the most race conscious and/or progressive social meddler would think the government has to dictate how the school population looks or it will be wrong or bad or destructive. He who values liberty does not fear the choices that a free people will make when the federal government doesn't meddle, interfere, or interject itself into the process.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    He who values liberty does not fear the choices that a free people will make when the federal government doesn't meddle, interfere, or interject itself into the process.
    Then don't use government money for funds if you want no strings attached.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRED View Post
    whatever bro. i guess it is to be expected of an obvious union lemming. my kid just started K this year so I have yet to go to any of these meetings you refer to but I look forward to getting involved when the time comes. And I do blame the unions for doing their job. And any teacher that shores up and joins a union is just as much to blame. My whole point here is that unions should be abolished and reclaim our education system.
    And your point is well taken. Places like NC, SC, Texas and Georgia, where collective bargaining is banned, have superb public schools that can also compete on an international level for both math and science while powerful unions like in my state of MA have dismal results. We should all follow the other states' lead. MA must abolish all teacher collective bargaining rights effective immediately. We too can have test scores similar to your state

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Then don't use government money for funds if you want no strings attached.
    Bingo. The federal government should be collecting no taxes for education and should be funding nothing related to public education. It is only by returning control to the local communities, school board, teachers, and parents that we will restore public education to the shining status it once had. Glad to see that you're finally coming around on that.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Bingo. The federal government should be collecting no taxes for education and should be funding nothing related to public education. It is only by returning control to the local communities, school board, teachers, and parents that we will restore public education to the shining status it once had. Glad to see that you're finally coming around on that.
    Um, local money collected IS public funds.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, local money collected IS public funds.
    Maybe you need to look up the difference between the federal government and local government? Between the federal government dictating education to the entire country and education determined by the local community with the involvement of the tax payers, school board, teachers, and parents?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Maybe you need to look up the difference between the federal government and local government? Between the federal government dictating education to the entire country and education determined by the local community with the involvement of the tax payers, school board, teachers, and parents?
    I know the difference and I also know that public schools MUST follow federal mandates because they are 'public' while private and charter can pick and choose and many have no mandates. Unfunded mandates hurt public schools, and money being taken to fund non public schools further erode them.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Segregation is a problem ONLY when it is forced on people and not because of the choice parents make for their children....
    I disagree. Racial and religious discrimination is stupid and ignorant because it is based on prejudices and misinformation, it unfairly denies opportunities to those who will suffer from exclusion, and it harms all participants who are denied the opportunity to get to know and learn to interact with people who are different, an essential life skill in these times.

    It appears my statement "It sounds like you would not be concerned if vouchers result in a return to schools segregated by religious and race" was correct.

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