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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I attended many national and state AFT conventions where improving education was the main topic that all else revolved around. Clearly you are ignorant of the actual reality on the ground.
    Union gets porn surfing teacher reinstated and forces school to pay the pervert 200k in back pay. You're argument is invalid.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRED View Post
    Union gets porn surfing teacher reinstated and forces school to pay the pervert 200k in back pay. You're argument is invalid.
    that is insane. One case is supposed to negate millions of teachers helping kids get educated. Beyond insane. It is downright delusional.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    There's only so much charity money to go around. If new schools do arise, and have no donations or charity funding, then their tuition will be much higher since their tuition would have to cover all of the costs of the school, not just what the donations and charity funding doesn't pay.


    So,again, comparing private school tuition to public cost per student is dishonest.

    And the tuition for private schools doesn't include transportation like public school costs do, another bit of deception in the comparisons.
    No, the voucher, if equal to the cost per student now paid to the public schools would provide more than the average private school tuition, lessening the need for fundraising. Besides, a private organization will make administration far more efficient.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is insane. One case is supposed to negate millions of teachers helping kids get educated. Beyond insane. It is downright delusional.
    I said crap about teachers dude. I love how you make it seem like I'm attacking teachers. It's adorable.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    How exactly would you "desegregate" our schools for real? Also since the vouchers would have as much opportunity to go to Muslim schools, Jewish school and even Wiccian schools if they ever bulid them, why would you think that the system would be promoting Christianity?

    1. I would desegregate schools by changing school district boundaries so that they do not divide along racial/ethnic/income lines. That is what is done when political district boundaries are done properly without gerrymandering. For example, the west side of a city could be combined with the suburbs on the west to create a racially diverse school district without needing long distance busing. I would also end the practice of funding schools with local property taxes and replace it with state-wide funding so that the funding is based on number of students and those student's needs instead of the local community's property values.


    2. The Indianapolis Star had an article Sunday on what it described as increasing diversity in Indiana’s school-voucher program. The evidence: Of 301 schools accepting vouchers, eight are now non-religious, two are Jewish and three are Muslim. The rest are Christian.....
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    96% of the schools receiving Indiana's vouchers are Christian schools.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Further, why not let the parents decide where they want to place their children rather than the government dictating where the kids will go to school and giving the parents no say in that. The racial makeup of the school makes no difference if the kids are being well educated. Of course no school that accepts government money should be able to limit the population of the school to a specific race, but parents should be making the choice where their kids will go to school and not the government.
    It sounds like you would not be concerned if vouchers result in a return to schools segregated by religious and race.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    They go to public schools that are better than what they would be districted to and the voucher pays for it. How you missed that one I cannot begin to guess.
    How would they get to these schools outside of their district?

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRED View Post
    I said crap about teachers dude. I love how you make it seem like I'm attacking teachers. It's adorable.
    Teachers are the voting members of the Teacher's unions. All unions have an obligation to represent their members when they face discipline, much like all criminal defendants are represented by a lawyer, possibly a public defender. The unions do not make the decisions regarding hiring, firing and discipline, the school administration makes those decisions with guidance from the local school board. If people do not like how the administration is dealing with bad teachers they should complain to their local school board or elect a new board. (options not available with private schools)
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 02-04-14 at 08:56 PM.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Teachers are the voting members of the Teacher's unions.
    K. Then the voting members who hold up the idiocy of teachers unions are grade A d-bags. Idiot teachers are harder to take out than Bruce Willis in Die Hard. So I guess I will attack teachers. Tenure has poisoned the ranks of teachers and I'd dare say that a crazy high percentage of teachers should be fired and banned from ever being a teacher. This is all thanks to the squishy faced mouth breathing unions.

    Does this convo make anyone else crave Cheetohs or is it just me?

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRED View Post
    K. Then the voting members who hold up the idiocy of teachers unions are grade A d-bags. Idiot teachers are harder to take out than Bruce Willis in Die Hard. So I guess I will attack teachers. Tenure has poisoned the ranks of teachers and I'd dare say that a crazy high percentage of teachers should be fired and banned from ever being a teacher. This is all thanks to the squishy faced mouth breathing unions.

    Does this convo make anyone else crave Cheetohs or is it just me?
    As I said, all unions have an obligation to represent their members when they face discipline, much like all criminal defendants are represented by a lawyer, possibly a public defender. The unions do not make the decisions regarding hiring, firing and discipline, the school administration makes those decisions with guidance from the local school board. If you do not like how your local administration is dealing with bad teachers you should complain to your local school board or elect a new board. Public schools, like all democratic institutions, only work as well as their constituents make them work. I wonder how many of the people who want to take public school funds and give them to private schools ever attended a school board meeting.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 02-04-14 at 09:16 PM.

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