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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Right, and about 3 other states are similar. 4 Total.
    You said it was rare, I just looked up my own and found out it wasn't so rare after all.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh, I didn't say that. Most private schools are fund raising constantly, so?
    Then what you've been comparing as expense per student isn't expense per student at all. The low tuition you've been quoting relies on charity that you can't in any way guarantee will continue at those levels when millions of poor children become part of that system. Don't expect poor mothers to bake a hundred dollars worth of goods to sell or even expect them to attend rallies to raise money. Don't expect poor children to sell candy bars around their neighborhood, they most likely won't. If poor parents and children were that involved in their inner-city schools we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh, I didn't say that. Most private schools are fund raising constantly, so?
    So are most of the public schools at least the ones I went to and the ones my kids attended in 4 different states. What's your point?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You are so off base you're on the football field. The voucher system is based upon the idea that regardless of income a child has a chance at a better school. If it was about not educating the poor then why would a voucher go to the poor to allow them to attend a better school. And by better I am talking about a school that fits their needs....
    Many schools will cost more than the vouchers will cover. Prosperous families will be able to pay the extra cost, the poor will not. Poor children will continue to be relegated to less expensive private and/or public schools. The public schools will be worse than ever because so much money will be funneled to the private schools. Poor children will be worse off than ever and more prosperous families will get a nice discount for a private school funded by tax payers and the poor.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many schools will cost more than the vouchers will cover. Prosperous families will be able to pay the extra cost, the poor will not. Poor children will continue to be relegated to less expensive private and/or public schools. The public schools will be worse than ever because so much money will be funneled to the private schools. Poor children will be worse off than ever and more prosperous families will get a nice discount for a private school funded by tax payers and the poor.
    The wealthy can afford to put their children wherever they wish. The poor at least can use a voucher system to choose a school better than the terrible one their child currently is required to attend. And, with the money following the child instead of being assigned to a school, some will be able to put their child in a good parochial or private school that would have been beyond their means without such choice being made to them. And by this means the better and best schools will prosper. The terrible schools will not and will hopefully close.

    For the life of me, I can't understand why the leftists/statists/progressives/political class/liberals are so gung ho to deny people a choice in where their child will attend school. What is so scary about that to them?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The wealthy can afford to put their children wherever they wish. The poor at least can use a voucher system to choose a school better than the terrible one their child currently is required to attend. And, with the money following the child instead of being assigned to a school, some will be able to put their child in a good parochial or private school that would have been beyond their means without such choice being made to them. And by this means the better and best schools will prosper. The terrible schools will not and will hopefully close.

    For the life of me, I can't understand why the leftists/statists/progressives/political class/liberals are so gung ho to deny people a choice in where their child will attend school. What is so scary about that to them?

    I doubt that the vouchers will enable many of the the poor to afford a better school. Vouchers will drive up the price of all private schools since all but the poorer families will be able to pay more than they could previously and there will be more people trying to get into a limited number of schools. Free market competition should not be applied to education because public education should be provided to all on an equal basis and many families will not have the ability to travel far out of their neighborhoods to where the good schools are located. There is a lot of money being spent by for-profit education companies advocating for these changes because they are hoping to increase their profits dramatically.

    I don't trust the whole voucher scheme because the real intent is to bust unions, restore racial segregation, get taxpayers to fund religious education and to destroy the public school system so that education can be run by profiteers.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You said it was rare, I just looked up my own and found out it wasn't so rare after all.
    And you're the only state?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then what you've been comparing as expense per student isn't expense per student at all. The low tuition you've been quoting relies on charity that you can't in any way guarantee will continue at those levels when millions of poor children become part of that system. Don't expect poor mothers to bake a hundred dollars worth of goods to sell or even expect them to attend rallies to raise money. Don't expect poor children to sell candy bars around their neighborhood, they most likely won't. If poor parents and children were that involved in their inner-city schools we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
    The tuition is $XX....that's what the voucher would pay. The schools fundraise to pay for extras and improvements. And, as you indicated, fundraising engenders parental involvement. Now, there is also fundraising in public schools...
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    So are most of the public schools at least the ones I went to and the ones my kids attended in 4 different states. What's your point?
    My point is the charity part of the argument is moot, as you've reiterated.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And you know for a fact the non-Catholic schools get no outside donations? I'd like to see these non-Catholic school budgets but I bet they don't publish them.
    Again, it doesn't matter if they do. The tuition is $XX and that's what the voucher is applied to.
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