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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but many of the parents of those special needs kids do not want them in enclaves with other special needs kids
    they want them with 'regular' students in 'regular' schools, to 'mainstream' them
    why would a FOR PROFIT school allow students who are much more expensive to educate, attend at the same voucher value as a student who did not need extraordinary and expensive resources, if they are allowed to exclude such special needs/high cost students [as is the circumstance today]
    Not all private schools are "for profit".
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Revenue (tuition) and production costs are actually never equal or maybe I should say only in rare cases.
    For public schools the cost per student is taken from the expenses of the school and it's enrollment. You can't "fudge" cost per student when that's your data. Private schools seldom publish their budget and financing.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You keep interchanging tuition and operating cost but they're not usually synonymous in private schools. For example, it's a well known fact that Catholic schools are highly subsidized by the Church, so comparing Catholic school tuition to public school cost, instead of comparing Catholic school cost to public school cost, isn't a valid comparison. You really need to make sure the Catholic church is willing to subsidize millions and millions of non-Catholic children before you use their tuition rates as "cost". The same applies to virtually all private schools in America. I think you'll find most of them are supported through other means than just tuition, so to use private school tuition statistics you would need the consent of all contributors and philanthropists that donate to private schools. Good luck getting that because I'd bet they're not willing.


    I would also note your private school "tuition" most likely does not include transportation costs.
    There are several private schools in my area, not all Catholic, and all roughly the same tuition.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Right, and about 3 other states are similar. 4 Total.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Really? The motive behind any school that has to make a profit is profit. That is why I think these schools choose the number of students they take in with expensive issues and get rid of those that they know need more.
    Yeah, really. You're acting like the only recipient of the voucher is a private, for profit, school. These vouchers are also used to send students to better performing public schools, charter schools and magnate schools. Not just private and parochial schools.

    Now, as to "for profit schools" if there is a market, someone will find a way to make it profitable.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, really. You're acting like the only recipient of the voucher is a private, for profit, school. These vouchers are also used to send students to better performing public schools, charter schools and magnate schools. Not just private and parochial schools.

    Now, as to "for profit schools" if there is a market, someone will find a way to make it profitable.
    That was the topic of the discussion. Links were used to show which states had these vouchers. If you want to change the topic feel free. My state does not do private vouchers. Mostly school choice is for other public schools and charters in the area.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Privatization and voucher schemes are based on the notion that it impossible to effectively educate most poor and other challenging children, and that it is acceptable to give up on the effort. The problem of educational failure will never be solved with that attitude and such practices.
    You are so off base you're on the football field. The voucher system is based upon the idea that regardless of income a child has a chance at a better school. If it was about not educating the poor then why would a voucher go to the poor to allow them to attend a better school. And by better I am talking about a school that fits their needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is just one of the reasons classroom teachers are left with fewer and fewer resources to help the most needy students.
    And yet more and more money thrown down the black hole is getting us where precisely? It's certainly not better grades and more educated students. Of course I have to wonder bout how all those teachers are getting left with fewer and fewer resources while upper level education admin types are getting larger and larger salaries, not to mention union officers.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why would a FOR PROFIT school allow students who are much more expensive to educate, attend at the same voucher value as a student who did not need extraordinary and expensive resources, if they are allowed to exclude such special needs/high cost students [as is the circumstance today]
    Why do people start charities and run them? Because they care. Even charities have to run at a profit since to do otherwise would cause the charity to shut down. Just because the school is designed to run in a financial manner to keep running in the future, it doesn't mean that the people running it aren't seriously out to help the children.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Mostly school choice is for other public schools and charters in the area.
    That's a hell of a lot better than any of the states I've been in over the years. I'll take that as a start.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That was the topic of the discussion. Links were used to show which states had these vouchers. If you want to change the topic feel free. My state does not do private vouchers. Mostly school choice is for other public schools and charters in the area.
    I think you need to re-acquaint. Vouchers, in many of the proposed systems, are not just for sending your kid to private school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There are several private schools in my area, not all Catholic, and all roughly the same tuition.
    And you know for a fact the non-Catholic schools get no outside donations? I'd like to see these non-Catholic school budgets but I bet they don't publish them.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And you know for a fact the non-Catholic schools get no outside donations? I'd like to see these non-Catholic school budgets but I bet they don't publish them.
    Oh, I didn't say that. Most private schools are fund raising constantly, so?
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