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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    The Gov't brags about its' spending on Education, and a lot of money is spent. It is spent on buildings, sports complexes, etc., but not on merit based teacher pay increases. Therefore, communities get some really nice buildings that look good and that is IMAGERY, not substance, when you are discussing education. US students have regressed on a world wide scale due to Federal teaching guidelines of sound good, accomplish nothing platitudes and programs with no substance. In New York State, the schools don't like home schoolers because the Local School Districts get about $88/day for each student from State aid and they don't get that for the home schooled. That just gets lost. The Local School Districts don't want to acknowledge when home schooled are ready for college long before their institutionalized counterparts and fight to prevent issuing the paperwork necessary to enroll these students in College. If the home schooled are ready for College long before the Local School students, it makes the local School Districts look bad. Actually, it just puts a microscopic view on the fact that our educational system has some flaws and no one wants to fix them because they will lose their monetary windfalls. Online education is the future and it only requires that the online student be properly motivated and acknowledges it is the student's responsibility to do the schoolwork. It is not a teacher's responsibility to beat knowledge in to the student's head. Many parents think that is how school works and that schools are just convenient babysitters. There is never a "one size fits all," but in the USA personal responsibility for one's educational motivation is a lost agenda.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sounds good, just let them opt out of taxes paying for other kids.
    We all pay tax's for things that we dont use. If we allow it in this case then we must do it for everything. Which would be problematic.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I suppose all but vouchers to religious church rule schools. That should not be paid by tax dollars nor a basis for tax deference or avoidance.
    If the school that a set of parents deems best to educate their child happens to be a religious school, then I see no legitimate reason to override their choice and to discriminate against that school, simply on the basis of it being religious. Indeed, a true understanding of the First Amendment would prohibit such discrimination. Alas, we belong to a generation in which the First Amendment has been twisted and perverted into an excuse for exactly the sort of discrimination that it was supposed to forbid.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    We all pay tax's for things that we dont use. If we allow it in this case then we must do it for everything. Which would be problematic.
    I certainly agree there is a massive difference in what people actually want and what people want if they are taxed.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    We all pay tax's for things that we dont use. If we allow it in this case then we must do it for everything. Which would be problematic.
    Yeah, only having use taxes would reduce our quality of living drastically. I prefer modern living.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Yeah, only having use taxes would reduce our quality of living drastically. I prefer modern living.
    There is nothing modern about forced taxation.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    There is nothing modern about forced taxation.
    1. That had nothing to do with my observation
    2. Who cares if its modern or not, that was not my point. Modernity in terms of having a society that functions fairly well (albeit not perfectly) is the convenience I referred to. If it weren't for the foundations put in place by general taxation as opposed to use taxes, we would not have the infrastructure to build a lot of what we expect and are used to (like grocery stores having an extremely high degree of reliability of being stocked with food, without modern roads, this would be very unlikely to happen) and things would be a lot more volatile and there would be far more suffering than we have right now and we have altogether too much suffering in even this set up we have now already.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Who cares if its modern or not, that was nothing about my point. Modernity in terms of having a society that functions fairly well (albeit not perfectly) is the convenience I referred to. If it weren't for the foundations put in place by general taxation as opposed to use taxes, we would not have the infrastructure to build a lot of what we expect and are used to (like grocery stores having an extremely high degree of reliability of being stocked with food) and things would be a lot more volatile and there would be far more suffering.
    You care, that is why you mentioned it.

    If you are telling me people would not pay for services they do not use or want, I would agree with you.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You care, that is why you mentioned it.

    If you are telling me people would not pay for services they do not use or want, I would agree with you.
    They would, but people are stupid, they would only try to pay for services they directly use and tend to have an "out of sight out of mind" mentality. Our current system of taxation fixes that problem and makes society function better than it would under a use tax system.

    another example is the notion that only parents should pay for school, people who don't have kids never realizing that a generally educated society makes their lives a whole lot better.

    also LOL of course I care about MY point not your misunderstanding of my point :P

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Allow me to chime in both as a parent and as a 33 year former teacher in the public system. Of course, every parent has the right and duty to see that the education given to their child is the best that they can possibly give them. And if that means a school other than the local public school - so be it.

    At the same time, we also have to accept and realize that there is a societal price to pay for that. The most motivated parents leave the public system and the contribution they could have made to that local public school is often never replaced or made by the less motivated or less educated or less involved parent who is still in the public system.

    You multiply that times hundreds and thousands and millions and it becomes just like a big city like Detroit losing the tax payers over time and only keeping those who pay little but absorb much services. it has to have an overall negative effect on the system and on society.

    It is not a win/win situation.
    In any free market, a particular business, offering a particular service; if it offers a poor service for the money that it charges, compared to other competing companies, then it does poorly, and is very likely to go out of business. Those companies that provide the best service for the best prices are the ones that succeed.

    It seems to me that the whole of your argument is that it is a bad thing for one business to fail, if its service is so poor and its prices so high that it fails to compete with other businesses offering the same thing; and that we need government to forcibly tax the population in order to prop up the failing business; lest the failure of that business “have an overall negative effect on the system and on society.”

    I reject this argument completely. If the government cannot operate a school that can compete on a fair, level field, with privately-operated schools, then let the government schools fail, and let government get out of the business. We simply do not need nor want to have government providing an inferior service for a higher price, when we could have private industry providing a better service at a lower price. We certainly do not need government propping up failing enterprises at our expense.

    And we sure as hell do not need government taxing us to pay for a failing service, on top of what we must then pay to a private company in order to provide the service that government is failing to provide in exchange for the tax that it is fraudulently collecting for that claimed purpose.
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