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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, I do not agree with this. Not when the true cost of the private school honestly includes the taxes that the parents of the private school students are still having to payto support the public schools that they are not using, on top of the tuition that they are paying to the private school.
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    A parent with a child in a private school has to pay for two schools, while only getting the benefit of one.
    I'm not a parent and I have to pay for one school as does every other land owner in the district, whether they have children or not. This is a common tax-payer burden that applies to everyone. The cost of the private school doesn't include a person's normal tax burden, so whining about parents having to pay for two schools is simply dishonest.


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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not a parent and I have to pay for one school as does every other land owner in the district, whether they have children or not. This is a common tax-payer burden that applies to everyone. The cost of the private school doesn't include a person's normal tax burden, so whining about parents having to pay for two schools is simply dishonest.
    Actually you have to pay for every school. The money goes into a big pool on the various levels and then gets spread out. So a district that has more people in it than it's neighbor might not get more money, nor will one school with more students necessarily get more money (in comparable economic areas).
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not a parent and I have to pay for one school as does every other land owner in the district, whether they have children or not. This is a common tax-payer burden that applies to everyone. The cost of the private school doesn't include a person's normal tax burden, so whining about parents having to pay for two schools is simply dishonest.


    Saying it more than once isn't going to make it any less of a lie.
    Yes whether we have children or not, it is the duty of all to pay taxes to provide an education for the children because we as a society are the beneficiaries. However, after paying those taxes and your child is not receiving an adequate education, what is a parent's recourse? After the State takes your tax dollars, if it can not provide for your child a school where he/she can grow and thrive, then they owe it to the child to provide one that will. Here in Ohio we have 5 state funded scholarship programs that help families who are eligible to send their children to a participating private or public school of their choice. There are all types of schools enrolled in the program to best meet each student's needs. Whether the problem for your child be a safety issue, a learning disability, or poor performing public school, the parent has school choice in Ohio.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Not all those states have accountability for curricula either.
    At the very least, the great majority of states do. Those that don't, if any, would be rare exceptions.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's what happens now and most of what this argument is about. Inner-city schools, as MaggieD's earlier post hinted at, tend to push under-performing and problem students into different schools than the better performing ones. I know our inner-city school system does it as does the one in St Louis and I'd be willing to bet most of them do.


    If you just take the performance/cost of public suburban schools (instead of including inner-city schools) then your performance/cost argument for a voucher system becomes untenable.
    My argument was based on suburban schools. With the exception of "elite" private schools, most private schools operate at 75% of the cost public schools pay per student. In my predominantly white, middle to upper class, county, the average tuition is $8000 while the average public school expense per student is $13,000.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    I went to the School Choice Ohio website and they were featuring this video.
    School Choice Ohio has funding to help meet the needs of the disabled. Enjoy



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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes whether we have children or not, it is the duty of all to pay taxes to provide an education for the children because we as a society are the beneficiaries. However, after paying those taxes and your child is not receiving an adequate education, what is a parent's recourse? After the State takes your tax dollars, if it can not provide for your child a school where he/she can grow and thrive, then they owe it to the child to provide one that will. Here in Ohio we have 5 state funded scholarship programs that help families who are eligible to send their children to a participating private or public school of their choice. There are all types of schools enrolled in the program to best meet each student's needs. Whether the problem for your child be a safety issue, a learning disability, or poor performing public school, the parent has school choice in Ohio.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    At the very least, the great majority of states do. Those that don't, if any, would be rare exceptions.
    Proof please.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    YES

    I transferred out of a violent school that epitomized futility. If it were up to me, all such schools would be shut down. As it stands, people should have the choice to leave unsafe and useless "learning" environments so they aren't driven to drop out or attempt suicide. For similar reasons, i'm a big proponent of dual enrollment and home schooling when K-12 just doesn't cut it.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    My argument was based on suburban schools. With the exception of "elite" private schools, most private schools operate at 75% of the cost public schools pay per student. In my predominantly white, middle to upper class, county, the average tuition is $8000 while the average public school expense per student is $13,000.
    That's because they can choose how many special needs children they want to accept. Special education costs can be highly expensive. If they were mandated to accept all special needs children, AND they were required by IDEA to apply that law, you would see those costs rise too. Picking what they want to take on is rather unfair.

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